Debate #2 winner is.....

What are you smoking? There is nothing like that in the video you point to?? All I see is "normal" Christian/Religious prayer "stuff". Nothing even remotely "extreme". You seem to be injecting your own twisted ideas of your hatred of people's religions that somehow they threaten you? And you call me crazy for seeing the SOCIALISTS who call themselves "Progressive Democrats". They're the ones that threaten the Constitution! Sarah Palin's religious beliefs do not bother me one bit. She's not the one asking you to "follow me and I will give you happiness". It's Obama claiming he can give you "Heaven". It's Obama trying to get you to believe he's "The Messiah" (just not in those words). It's funny how earlier that ALL the Dems that were running for the nomination claimed how Obama wasn't "fit" to be President. Were they all lying (again)??
Oh, and how is it "fair" that Obama gets 24 hour TV time? Obama speaks of "fairness", but isn't playing "fair" himself! How do you get to believing such a bold faced liar so much?
Don't even try to come back with McCain because I don't believe him either!
But I believe Obama even less! His Reverend Wright was spewing racism and hatred and it has NOTHING to do with "coming home to roost". But what's worse is Obama is just a pawn for the "progressive" socialist party. They'll shove him aside soon enough. You watch..

Les Chambers said:

[QUOTE]Jeffrey Counsil said:

Where do you get "religious extremists" from??? *** Oh, btw, that preacher that Sarah Palin was getting (peaceful) prayer from is from Kenya.. Ring any bells?

Check out this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPYbRB7k Apparently Sarah believes in all that "end-time" crap and that the role of her church is to make Alaska "holy" enough to serve as a refuge for the sufficiently devout who will flee there from the lower 48 during the years of tribulation. Add to this the point that the idiot is also a creationist (I know idiot and creationist are redundant), who thinks that men and dinosaurs co-existed and it is clear that the religious extremist title fits her quite well.

George Edwards said:

Yes the "My Friends" thing is creepy, but the scariest thing about the debate was that John McCain looked like a walking cadaver and needed to take a nap for about the next four years . If McCain manages to win I doubt he will be physically able to do the job , that would mean we would have Sarah Palin and her band of religious extremists running the country , now that truly would be scary.

What makes McC's health troublesome is that 9 of the 43 US presidents have come to power from the vice-presidency because of the death or removal of the elected president. 5 20th century presidents succeeded to that office as VPs. Moreover, several other presidents were mentally unfit to serve during part of their term. Wilson comes to mind. Even IF McC was healthy and much younger that still gives Palin a better than 1 in 4 chance of becoming the 45th president. Actuarily, a HEALTHY 72 year old man has a 3 in 10 chance of dying within 4 years. That same man has a 7 out of 10 chance of expiring within the next 8 years. That is for an otherwise healthy person. McC already has had several bouts of cancer and his physicians and campaign are being pretty tight lipped about the nature of the cancer they cut out of his cheek (No Jeff that lump is not a gum ball). What all this means is that electing J.McC is almost certainly a vote to put Palin, with all of her faith healing, creationist credentials in the Oval Office. "Mr. Maverick" couldn't even stand up to the far right in his own party and name the VP he wanted, i.e. Lieberman. Instead, his decision to put Palin on his ticket was the most irresponsible thing he has ever done. So much for putting "Country First"

Les

Les Chambers said:

[QUOTE]Steven Moore said:

I can not get the Reverend Wright preaching his hate out of my mind as far as Obama goes. I can not understand what is wrong with the Democratic party that in this election they should of had no trouble at all electing their person for president.
Regards,Steve

White Americans do have a tough time grasping the fact that the rest of the world, particularly the non-white part, does not always see its actions as beneficial, altruistic or fair. As for Wrights' "chickens coming home to roost' sermon, which I believe you are referring to, he is factually correct. 9-11 happened inter alia, because the United States supports Israel. Everytime Israel shells a village, shoots a rock throwing kid, or strafes a refugee camp the money and weapons do so comes directly from Uncle Sam. Also, we allow despotic regimes like the Saudi royal family to stay in power and treat their nation's oil wealth as their personal property, while their population lives in 3rd world conditions. In Iran, we killed a popularly elected prime minister because he was a socialist and installed and propped up the Shah for 25 years. In just the 20th century the U.S. used military force to protect is business or other interests over 200 times. As a result, good chunks of the world population hate the U.S. It was (is) only a matter of time before that hatred came back to hit us.

Les

Les, That is "chickens coming home to roost" sermon I was talking about. I have tried to hear the whole thing , but all there is on pro obama sites are shorter or what they want you to hear parts. As far as the part of US bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki during World War 2, well it was an all out war. We might now be slaves of other countries. I hope I do not offend any people of Japanese decent and I agree the bombings were an awful thing to happen to anybody. As far as not knowing or grasping the fact that the rest of the world non whites and whites might not like the U.S., I don't have my head stuck in the sand. After Martin Luther King assassination in 1968 my mother wasn't thinking and drove through the wrong neighborhood [at this time] in Baltimore City and I was afraid we wouldn't make it through , bricks etc. After I got older I sort of understood why this happened to us at the time. I still don't think it was right for any preacher to talk this way in church no matter the color of their skin and for someone that went to this church and sat and listened to this to want my vote , I don't think so.
Regards,Steve

Les , I totally agree with what you wrote , but after watching the events of this past week I would go further and seriously question McCain's mental well being as well as his physical decrepitness. Not only was the pick of Sarah Palin highly irresponsible because of her complete lack of national and international experience ,it was also highly irresponsibe because the woman is just plain nuts . And she has proved to be dangerously nuts . Sarah Palin has been behaving like Adolf Hitler in a skirt , whipping up the Neanderthals at her rallies to the verge of violence. With the economy in the tank and the political climate that is being set by McCain and Palin this is beginning to look like Germany in the Thirties. And people please take it easy on poor Jeffery , he is a good Astromarter , but when it comes to politics he is obviously very emotional and wildly irrational.

I would have rather had Joe Lieberman as VP. But Joe didn't want to be VP. But then again, he's no spring chicken either. But if you remember, JFK was assasinated so the scumwad LBJ could become President and, like you, play the numbers game with Viet Nam. The scary part about that is the current far left Democratic party is way more radical than it was back then. But the socialist wing still tried to succeed. It was LBJ and his cronies that took Social Security out of it's own separate fund and merged it with the General fund to they could get their hands on it. Yeah, THAT was the beginning of the end of SS. Obama is just a stepping stone for the far left to gain power. I don't mean the average Democrat, I mean the far left. The likes of Pelosi, Biden, Reid, Rangle, Kerry, Barney Frank, etc. who's views of this country are no less than contempt. Want to play a numbers game? Well, why don't you factor in the modern Secret Service that didn't exist before to protect the President. And Modern Medicine that also didn't exist back then. Now your percentages are completely different. How about John McCain's father's age? Yeah, he lived to a ripe old age. What makes you think John won't live to be over 90?
McCain had skin cancer. Nothing for you to lose any sleep over. Nothing modern medicine can't handle.
John McCain is an American Hero. He served this country and put his life on the line. YOU should at least RESPECT the man by spelling his name correctly. He is a Veteran of War. He was a P.O.W. that was Tortured and survived! He is a true Patriot! I don't always agree with him, but I give him the respect he deserves.

Jeffrey Counsil said:

John McCain is an American Hero. He served this country and put his life on the line. YOU should at least RESPECT the man by spelling his name correctly. He is a Veteran of War. He was a P.O.W. that was Tortured and survived! He is a true Patriot! I don't always agree with him, but I give him the respect he deserves.

I'll leave your anti-socialism rant speak for itself. As for respecting McC, I USED to respect John McCain alot. In 2000 I supported him for the nomination and I still believe that had he won in 2000 the world and our country would be better off. However, the last 3 weeks he has shredded any claim to respect. Even George Will came out against him this past week. Since the economic collapse began McC has proven to be erratic and unbalanced. More important, his campaign rallies the last 2 weeks have turned too ugly for comfort. They remind me, if not of Nuremburg, the anti-integration mobs of the 1950s and anti-busing demonstrations of the 1970s. Substitute Sarah Palin for George Wallace and "liberal media/terrorists" for "uppity n*ggers, college radicals and yankee politicians" and the fit is depressingly close. I realize you weren't born when it was decided to integrate innercity schools by busing white kids across town to mostly black schools. However, the masses of white christian, "love-thy-neighbor" hockey moms and dads who turned out to stone buses, spit at kids and set fire barracades showed a side of America most people chose to ignore. It is this type of raw, visceral hatred that Palin and McC are trading in to win this election. McC made a faustian bargain with the far right extremists and religious nuts. Having done so he has forfeited any claim to "respect." (As for his status as a veteran. Nice, but hardly relevant. Adolf Hitler was a veteran for that matter. Tell me why that should matter as our 401s evaporate?)

Les

I'm not going to argue your observations. They do bear some resemblances. But then, the Dems have many "scary" resemblances as well. But I will say that I am NOT a McCaim/Palin "supporter", nor am I an Obama/Biden "supporter". I think they both lack a grasp of reality. I haven't decided whom will receive my vote. But I guarantee it will not be O/B. They have (meaning the far-left socialites) have left a bad taste in my mouth over the last 25 years. It is too bad Joe Lieberman isn't a Presidential candidate with a "moderate" running mate. I would take him, in a heartbeat, over the current D/R choices we have now. But without Obama's remark about rural Pennsylvanians "clinging to your guns and religion", he may have had a shot. But it's clear he, and his party, want to eliminate the 2nd amendment, and "educate" the religious. Sorry, but I don't bite on spoiled bait.. I don't want a Government that makes "outlaws" out of peaceful, law abiding citizens for owning a gun, and practicing a religion "HE" doesn't believe in.