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Posts Made By: John Powers

April 1, 2007 08:06 AM Forum: Reflectors

Through with Discovery Telescopes (Long)

Posted By John Powers

I am frustrated by my dealings with Discovery Telescopes. I ordered an 8" F6 PDHQ from Bill at Discovery last October, and it took about a month to deliver it. Twice as long as Bill said, but not too bad. Yet.

When I unpacked the main tube, I immediately noticed that the spider vane was installed askew, based on obviously misaligned bolts on the tube. The main mirror holes were also not well aligned.

So I called Bill (which took several days to accomplish), and he said he would replace the main tube. Said he would send FedEx to have the tube picked up, so he could reinstall the hardware on the new tube. Fine.

After the third time that the FedEx truck never showed up when Bill said it would, I suggested (after again taking many days to accomplish a discussion with him) that Discovery just send out a re-drilled new tube, and I would install all the hardware myself. He said that he would be happy to do so. It is now January of 2007. He said it should take about a week.

So, etc., etc., it is now April 2007, and no tube! I have repeatedly tried to contact Bill, with occasional success, at which points he always said "no more than another week."

So, a month after he told me that it had just shipped out, still no tube. Well, now I'm done. I will now never do business with Discovery again. It's not the total time, necessarily (even though that's plenty long), it's more of the constant untrue estimates given on a $1000 investment. Here is the text of my final email to Discovery:

Bill,

At this point, I simply don't understand what is happening with you and your and your company. In fact, I don't know at this point if you intend to send out the replacement tube you promised at all. I purchased this 8" F6 PDHQ telescope form you in October of 2006 and it was delivered several weeks later. As of yet, I have not removed the mirror or the base from their shipping boxes, much less actually used the telescope. You have assured me on numerous occasions that you would make right the flaws in the original tube. And so far- nothing. I would think that sending out a replacement tube would be one of the easiest tasks to for you to complete, relative to completing an entire telescope.

I am embarrassed to have to send you this email, because I greatly prefer to have friendly relations and exchanges with people I do business with. But given the lack of email response, lack of answering your phone at your place of business, and the lack of communication in general, my options to finally complete this >$1000 deal are few. One way communication is not very efficient.

The repeated delays have greatly frustrated me- not so much due to the total time, but because on the rare occasion that your phone is answered, I was repeatedly told that the tube is just about finished- always a week away. I fact, the last time we talked over three weeks ago, you told me the new tube had already shipped out.

If I thought it would actually happen, I would demand a refund. But from what I have learned, the time line for that transaction could be another 6 months. So I will close with this. Send the replacement tube if you wish, or send a refund if you wish. But as far as I am concerned, I am through doing business with Discovery. And when the opportunity presents itself on the Astronomy forums that I frequent (CN, Astromart, Yahoo Groups...), I will truthfully relay my experiences with Discovery and my intention of doing no further business with you. In fact, I intend to post this email on all three of these sites as of tomorrow morning. I have been left with no other recourse. $1000 spent, and no recourse. A mistake I will not repeat.

All of this ridiculousness, Bill. Over the cheapest part of the telescope. The tube.

With Frustration,
John Powers

I'm sorry for the long post, but given no other practical recourse, I can only share my experience in the hopes of preventing someone else going through my same frustrating experience. Thanks for listening, fellow Astromarters.

April 5, 2007 09:27 PM Forum: Reflectors

Discovery- THE FINAL(!) STORY

Posted By John Powers

I just received this email from Bill at Discovery:

John:
We apologize for the delay but your tube shipped today via Fed Ex ground.
The tracking number is as follows:
xxxx
Thank You for your business.
Best Regards,
Bill/Discovery

I am speechless. I really didn't think anything was going to happen. I think I owe a great debt of gratitude to the Astromart community (actually, I know I do). Thank you all for your input, support, and civil discourse, on both sides of the issue. (And a special thank you to Bob Schilling for actually getting in touch with Bill.) I will try to be more eloquent later this evening, but I'm a bit stunned right now. And relieved. And happy to finally be able to use this scope.

Wow. I think I may feel empowered here. As part of the Amature Astronomer collective...

Also, a thank you to Discovery for finally sending the tube. I look forward to receiving it and pretending I know how to build a scope. Now to not screw up the hardware transfer!

With Deep Gratitude, Fellow AM'ers,
John Powers

April 11, 2007 09:34 PM Forum: Reflectors

Secondary Mirror Size and Low Power EPs

Posted By John Powers

I'm anticipating being able to use my Discovery 8" F6 PDHQ soon (Thanks again A-marters!). With 1.52" (38mm) secondary, am I foolish to use a 36mm 70deg EP (H.S. OBS)? What is the upper limit of TFOV/ field stop that I can expect to get/use with this scope?

I have heard people talk about % illumination before, but so far don't understand it very well. If that concept is involved here, can you please be fairly explanatory?

Thank you to all from a refractor refugee!

October 11, 2007 05:37 AM Forum: Politics

Re: Hillary and Republicans

Posted By John Powers

Jim Babcock said:

It appears that Hillary now thinks that when she becomes President that she will be able to bring the nation together. 8O

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/09/AR2007100902284_pf.html

I will take that as a campaign promise, and cannot wait. smile It is no more possible for her to succeed with this promise that it was for President Bush, who wanted to do exactly the same thing. He learned about the divided country and how no good deed goes unpunished by "the loyal opposition". After the way that the Dems have treated this Administration, they should expect the Reps to use every dirty trick that they learned from the Dems to derail Hillary's Presidency. She will be lucky to come out of it without being impeached like her husband. With every action that Bush has made you can find Dems calling for his impeachment, expect a reciprocal response for Hillary.

IF there were substantial truth to your statement (which I'm not sure there is smile ), then it could be said that the Dems are currently doing to GWB what the republicans did to BC. Again, IF. 8)

Your arguments in general are circular- you just stop halfway around to make it seem as though Dem's are bad and Rep's are good. Pot-calling-the-kettle-blackitis, so to speak. You're very good at it, I must admit. It makes me wonder what else you have to do than come up with zingers here. wink

Whether you can conceive of it or not though, the GWB presidency will go down as one of the worst ever. Just ask Hillary. grin

October 12, 2007 02:18 PM Forum: Politics

Re: Is Edwards Making His Move?

Posted By John Powers

Jim Babcock said:
Just kidding. I actually believe him.

I do too. Whatever his politics, I think most will agree he's a stand up family man.

February 28, 2008 01:07 AM Forum: Refractors

Superior Optical Design?

Posted By John Powers

For my education, I am interested in which of the following lenses is superior for CA, spherical aberration, astigmatism, etc. Also, given possible superiority of of one lens over the other, which would you rather own? One is a legendary 4" doublet, one is a legendary 80mm triplet. Hmmm...

TMB/LOMO 80/600 triplet
Vixen 102/920 doublet

Any and all comments welcome. Thanks!

March 27, 2008 04:34 AM Forum: Refractors

102FL rear fluorite lens

Posted By John Powers

I recently acquired a mint condition Vixen 102FL. I love this thing! IIRC, these scopes have a rear mounted uncoated fluorite lens. My perhaps naive question is, how long should I expect a non-coated fluorite lens to last? Is it particularly sensitive to humidity, coastal air, etc.?? Or should I not sweat it? I do have a PWT 2" plug I have in the back, but the scope is so long, I'm not sure if that matters one way or the other...

Thanks in advance for your expertise!

John

April 12, 2007 12:28 AM Forum: Reflectors

Secondary Mirror Size and Low Power EPs

Posted By John Powers

The initial title sounded like a cliche' which EP post- so I tried to make the title more relevant to my question. Thanks!

October 8, 2007 09:36 PM Forum: Politics

Interesting piece on Bush by the BBC

Posted By John Powers

I found the piece to be decently balanced. I especially appreciated the glorious stalemate section.

October 10, 2007 07:27 AM Forum: Politics

Re: Sandy Burglar working for Hillary

Posted By John Powers

Jim Babcock said:

...we will all be here to chronicle every slimy move they make. wink

Are you sure you didn't mean to say: "...we will all be here to chronicle every move they make, which will all be deemed slimy."? wink grin 8)