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March 5, 2012 01:11 AM Forum: No Holds Barred

Perps Identified!

Posted By Dave Snope

Oooh, they violated Sharia law. Off with their heads! No other punishment will satisfy the insulted ones. They've already said that a prison sentence will not do. And as long as the Dhimmi Obama and his generals are going to enforce Sharia law, they should be blinding the soldiers who look at porn, hanging those who ask and tell, imprisoning those who practice Christianity and Judaism, and caning women who show their ankles or arms. That is the slippery slope we are on.

March 8, 2012 02:22 AM Forum: Politics

March 9, 2012 05:11 PM Forum: Politics

"Solid" Jobs Report

Posted By Dave Snope

They reported almost the exact same thing in March, 2011, and March, 2010.

The takeway from this is that it is March.

There isn't much to learn from this report. Try looking at the fundamentals.

March 9, 2012 06:17 PM Forum: Global Warming - REAL or NOT

Kiribati relocation

Posted By Dave Snope

Maurice, it's very hard not to be skeptical about this, given the recent silly publicity stunts by various island leaders to get money from other nations when no evidence exists that their particular islands are any danger from a perceived sea level rise.

And, as scientists have measured, the sea level has gone down over the last eight years. The global average, that is (different places have different effects). The two latest studies both show a 20th century sea level rise of 1mm/year, or 4 inches over 100 years. (e.g. http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2011/2011JC007558.shtml) The sea level appears to be closely following solar cycles. It has been going down lately and is now lower than it was eight years ago and just passed the lowest annual peak in the Envisat record (see attachment). So there is no meaningful evidence that these islands should experience more than a 3 or 4 inch sea level rise by 2100.

The kicker is that Kiribati is growing larger:

From TV New Zealand: http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/nz-research-shows-pacific-islands-not-shrinking-3577883

An Auckland University researcher has offered new hope to the myriad small island nations in the Pacific which have loudly complained their low-lying atolls will drown as global warming boosts sea levels.

Geographer Associate Professor Paul Kench has measured 27 islands where local sea levels have risen 120mm – an average of 2mm a year – over the past 60 years, and found that just four had diminished in size.

Working with Arthur Webb at the Fiji-based South Pacific Applied Geoscience Commission, Kench used historical aerial photographs and high-resolution satellite images to study changes in the land area of the islands.

They found that the remaining 23 had either stayed the same or grown bigger, according to the research published in a scientific journal, Global and Planetary Change.

“It has been thought that as the sea level goes up, islands will sit there and drown,” Prof Kench told the New Scientist. “But they won’t.

“The sea level will go up and the island will start responding.

One of the highest profile islands – in a political sense – was Tuvalu, where politicians and climate change campaigners have repeatedly predicted it will be drowned by rising seas, as its highest point is 4.5 metres above sea level. But the researchers found seven islands had spread by more than 3 percent on average since the 1950s.

One island, Funamanu, gained 0.44 hectares or nearly 30 percent of its previous area.

And the research showed similar trends in the Republic of Kiribati, where the three main urbanised islands also “grew” – Betio by 30 percent (36ha), Bairiki by 16.3 percent (5.8ha) and Nanikai by 12.5 percent (0.8ha).

March 9, 2012 06:53 PM Forum: Off Topic Discussions

Amway Friends

Posted By Dave Snope

Lee Spain said:

For the record, there is little worse than finding out that a friend sells Amway or some variation of the theme.

Agreed. When a so-called friend uses deception to get you to meet with him, then shows up in a suit-and-tie, you know that he is no longer a friend. And they add another layer of deception by hiding the "Amway" name because they know it is negative, so they give some "multi-tiered marketing" BS euphemism. Friends don't lie to each other.

I had one coworker who never did any work. He just worked the phones to sell Amway. He regaled us all with tales of becoming millionaire's while we pulled his weight. He always had the crappiest car in the company.

March 10, 2012 05:26 PM Forum: Global Warming - REAL or NOT

Kiribati relocation

Posted By Dave Snope

Like I said, the sea just hasn't risen enough to effect anybody. A couple of millimeters in anybody's lifetime. That part is just opportunistic island leaders glomming onto the computer models of activist-scientists for their own advantage.

(President) Tong said some villages have already moved and there have been increasing instances of sea water contaminating the island’s underground fresh water, which remains vital for trees and crops. He said changing rainfall, tidal and storm patterns pose as least as much threat as ocean levels, which so far have risen only slightly.

Willis Eschenbach explains:

Let me comment that if I had a chance to pull up stakes in Kiribati and move to Fiji, I’d do it in a second. Fiji is high volcanic islands, with rich soil and lots of it. And Kiribati, on the other hand, is tiny coral atolls with … well … nothing. Life on the atolls is tough, tough, tough. The highest point on any of the atolls of Kiribati is about 3 metres (10 feet) above sea level, and there is no real soil, only lime coral sand. It is a testament to the ingenuity and perseverance of humans that anyone lives on the atolls at all. The people from Kiribati are great folks, consummate seamen, and very interesting people in general. The ones I’ve known have been great folks. Don’t cross the women, though, bad mistake, the women will clean your clock if you cross them, that’s one of the reasons I like them so much.

But the fact that life is tough in Kiribati is not the reason that they’re talking about moving. And indeed, although the report mentions climate change, the President of Kiribati actually didn’t blame rising sea levels. The article goes on to say: ...

Now, before getting into the story, a few facts. First. name of the nation is pronounced “Kih-rih-bas”, with the accent on the first syllable. Why the strange spelling? Turns out that’s how you spell “Gilberts”, the old name of the islands, in the local language. There’s no “s” in the language, so they use “ti” for the “s” sound, based on how “ti” is pronounced in “motion”. Also, as in many Pacific missionary-derived orthographies of the local language, there are no diphthongs (consonant pairs) in the Kiribati language. So the “lb” in “Gilberts” becomes “rib” because … you guessed it, no “l” in the language, so they use “r” instead. So in Figure 1, you see that “Christmas” in the local language is spelled “Kiritimati”. Also, the people are called “i-Kiribati”, with the “i” pronounce like “ee”.

Returning to the idea of the i-Kiribati moving to Fiji, curiously, that would not be the first historical intersection between the people of Kiribati and the people of Fiji. In the early days of WWII, it became obvious that the Japanese would invade one of the Gilbert Islands called “Ocean Island” or Banabas. The Gilberts were British at the time, as was Fiji, so the Brits decided to act.

Basically, the British took all of the inhabitants of Banabas Island, and moved them lock, stock, and fishing lines to the island of Rabi in Fiji. Rabi is a beautiful island, and it is ruled domestically not by the Fijians, but by the Rabi Island Council. It’s like a little bit of Kiribati in Fiji, almost everyone on the island is i-Kiribati. So this would not be the first group of i-Kirbati to resettle in Fiji.

Nor would it be the first move by i-Kiribati away from the Gilberts group. The Phoenix group of islands were settled in the late 1930s by people from the Gilberts group. This occurred as a direct result of what would become a recurring problem—when atoll populations intersect with modern medicine, overpopulation is not far off.

As a result, the obliging British, who likely felt some responsibility, gave the Phoenix group to be settled by the i-Kiribati. They settled the islands between 1938 and 1940. But the water was bad and scarce. Communications were hard, as was transportation, and the war made it worse. In 1952, after a series of dry years, the experiment was declared a failure.

However, of course, by then there was no room for the Phoenix folks back in the Gilberts. Besides, by then there were newly overcrowded islands in the Gilberts too, people keep having kids. So … the Brits were looking for people to work on the plantations in the Solomon islands. In the early 1950s, they gave Wagina Island and land on Gizo Island in the Solomons to anyone willing to sign up for the Solomon Islands Settlement Scheme. Many of the folks who emigrated were from the Phoenix Islands, where poor water sources and a drought had combined to make the islands uninhabitable. Compared to that, the Solomons were a paradise. Except for the malaria, of course.

Drought has long been the bane of Kiribati. When your only water comes from a small lens of fresh water renewed only by rain, it is a matter of life and death. There is a fascinating report by some National Academy of Science folks, published in 1957, of their researches in Kiribati in the early ’50s. It was very clear, even back then, that droughts were a huge issue. Among many other interesting things they say are:


As for the rainfall, the attached graphs will show how it varies between the groups in the North, Central and South Islands (Fig. 4). One of the most important ecological factors in the Gilbert Islands is drought. These islands are periodically affected by it. There was a two-year drought in 1917-1919, a three-year drought in 1937-1939, and another which lasted a year and a half in 1949-1951. These periods of drought particularly affect the south islands. Comparative statistics in Figure 4 show the’ monthly rainfall of one island of each group over a period of 4 years, comparing periods or normal rainfall with periods of drought which occurred from August, 1949 to December, 1950.

Tarawa, the middle row, is the capital of Kiribati. Like the other islands, it depended entirely on rainfall for drinking water. Look at what happened in 1950 to the rainfall in Tarawa … yes, that would definitely cause problems. You can see why the British were wanting to move people in the early 1950s, they’d been dying of thirst on some of the atolls. Plus the population on the atolls was already very high. The NAS report says:


It would seem that the Gilbert Islands, where the soil is so poor, and which suffer from recurrent severe droughts, should have a small population. We observe, on the contrary, a very high demographic density. The population of the sixteen islands of the Group amounted at the time of the 1947 census to 27,824, or an average density of 243.9 per square mile. This figure is just given as an average and does not claim to have any great demonstrative value as, in fact, the density varies considerably as between one island and another. Thus Tamana has 441.5 per square mile while Aranuka has only 61.3.

But of course, moving folks from the Gilberts to the Solomon Islands didn’t solve the population problem either. To understand why it made no difference, here’s a historical look at the population of Kiribati

Remember that in 1947, people were already commenting on the high population density … and now the density is three times as great. So you can understand why the President is looking for more land. Here’s another bit of information. The article says that they want to buy a 6,000 acre parcel in Fiji. In Texas, that would only be a small ranch.

But that land in Fiji is nearly 10% of the total area of Kiribati, and nearly 15% of the inhabited area of Kiribati. So I understand why they want to buy it.

You can see the danger. The population is skyrocketing. And unlike just about every country on the planet, there is absolutely no sign of any slowdown in the Kiribati population growth rate.

But the rain … the rain is unchanged. It’s still years of wet and then years of dry, just like always … but when you have three times the people, the dry years become unsustainable. President Tong correctly notes “increasing instances of sea water contaminating the island’s underground fresh water”. He does not note the obvious reason that the well water is becoming brackish—there are three times the people drinking from each and every well, while the rainwater recharging the wells hasn’t changed.

As a result, I fear there is no obvious solution. Buying land in Fiji in 2012, while it is a good stopgap measure, will do no more to solve the underlying problem than did exporting people to the Solomon Islands in 1954. There is only one solution to their problem, and it has nothing to do with CO2, or the climate, or the industrialized nations, or the sea level. The people of Kiribati have to, must, reduce their birth rate.

I understand that there are issues of religion and social pressure and the like, but look at the blue line in Figure 2. Kiribati is already busting at the seams with people, and the rate of population growth is not decreasing … they will be lucky to come out of this without huge social, economic, and political problems. So I wish President Tong the best of luck in his efforts to reduce some of those problems.

And if anyone can pull it off, it would be the i-Kiribati. Let me close by quoting the 1950s NAS report again:


Another aspect of their nature is their total confidence in others, both in moral and material dealings. We also appreciated their independent spirit and their frankness, which is often disarming. Their answers, whether positive or negative, are always direct. But the Gilbertese’ forthrightness does not preclude a form of respect devoid of obsequiousness. His often unexpected reactions are never arrogant, and are a corollary of his independent, individualistic nature, as are his teasing spirit and fanciful mind. Both are expressed in choreographic attitudes, in which mimicry always has a deserved success.

Finally, these people have a highly-developed artistic sense, and it would be difficult to find anything to equal some of their extraordinarily beautiful choral singing, It is really in their dances and choral singing only that the Gilbertese express the whole genius of their race, and can give rein to an exuberance which, because of a surprising modesty, is no longer manifested in the ordinary course of their everyday life.

The Gilbertese are an intelligent people. Many show real pride in having risen above the general level, but it did not seem to us that this was ever expressed in a contemptuous or even haughty way. Those working with Europeans are generally avid to learn and to understand everything and are full of gratitude for whoever may have increased their knowledge, even about their own territory.

Yeah, that’s the i-Kiribati I know. Interesting, good-natured, hardworking folks. I wish them only the best.



http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/10/so-many-people-so-little-rain/#more-58768

March 11, 2012 01:24 AM Forum: Global Warming - REAL or NOT

Kiribati relocation

Posted By Dave Snope

The Australian government operates a sea level station in Kiribati. A figure shows the last available report (through mid-2009) showing sea level anomalies for 1993 through June 2009. I have attached the sea level anomaly chart from that report that shows the data taken from the site on Kiribati. It's the 2nd line from the bottom.




March 11, 2012 01:59 AM Forum: Global Warming - REAL or NOT

Ghoramara Island: Going, Going...

Posted By Dave Snope

C'mon Rod, please. This makes you look desperate. This is a river delta island made of sediment deposits. They are dynamic and constantly changing. These deltas are heavily studied due to large populations and oil deposits. Sea level rise is not an issue in large deltas. They have been proven to be able to keep up with any sea level rise. Flooding disasters are seasonally the result of excessive run-off, and occasionally due to unfortunate storm surges that result in breaks through natural barriers, but this has nothing to do with sea level rise.

THE SEA LEVEL HAS RISEN ONLY 4MM IN THE LAST 100 YEARS. A NATURAL RATE. SEA LEVEL DID NOT CHANGE THIS ISLAND. NADA. ZILCH. ZERO.

March 11, 2012 08:49 AM Forum: No Holds Barred

March 12, 2012 01:25 AM Forum: Politics

Oil Speculation: $7.00/Fillup

Posted By Dave Snope

Should we also end speculation on other commodities such as corn, wheat, rice, soybeans, pork, cattle, and gold? What would the side-effects be?