Posts Made By: David Cotterell

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Prove he's a citizen who couldn't be deported.

You made the claim 1st.. I want to see copies of his documents showing that he was here lawfully.  He was on US SOIL ILLEGALLY.  

He was deported as a terrorist member of MS13.  

That is a fact.  

I'm still waiting for you to show me your posting where you came out at any time to talk about the criminal victims, the women who were raped and murdered by illegal aliens in this nation.

You can't because you never did.

Like all leftists you side with the violent murderers and assassins because your morality is up your ass, like all Marxist leftists, whose moral compass is backwards.

Originally Posted by James Lacey

The rise of Trump is due to many factors, and the Democrats don't deserve all the scorn. The Republican Party could also have done more to keep him out of power, but they were more than willing to jump on the Trump train for their political gain. At the end of the day, though, one of the most potent reasons, IMHO, why Trump has taken control is because grassroots voters saw voting for Trump as the middle finger to the establishment that lines the pockets of elites while ignoring them. Never mind that instead of helping the working class, Trump has created a government of billionaires, and his "Liberation Day" and the start of his trade war have done an enormous amount of damage to the working class. If things continue going downhill like they are, and many economic indicators are worse than when he took office, then Republicans will get destroyed in the mid-terms. And if Democrats take both houses, they will impeach Trump again. MAGA will scream that it's a "witch hunt," but the truth is, Trump and his administration have already committed impeachable offenses. All of this is why Trump will go down as the worst President in US history.

Originally Posted by James Brown

Hi David and James - I agree with what James said.  Trump's election was indisputably fueled by resentment of the elites, an entirely understandable resentment in my opinion.   

I disagree with Dave's angle, vehemently.  Dave, I am assuming that the "hick" dialect you used is a dig at the intelligence of Trump voters.  I'm not wrong am I?  You are portraying Trump voters as uneducated boobs right?   This is wrong on many levels as caricatures often are.  The working classes had solid and intelligent reasons to vote for Trump, or at least to vote against Biden/Harris.  Look at the messaging during the campaigns.   Look at the economy last November.   Look at the immigration disaster created by Biden/Harris.  Much solid post-election analysis has focused on just how completely the Democrats have abandoned their working class base.  

Democrats will continue to lose elections to the extent they continue to mock the working class (while courting the pricey endorsements of Oprah, Springsteen and other "royalty." ).   You ended your dig at Trump voters with, "...by voting for a party that kowtows to the wealthy elites."   This is quaint.  In 2024, and since at least the middle of the Obama years, the Democrats are clearly the party kowtowing to the elites.  Look at Hollywood for one example.  One big monolithic love-fest for the Democrats.  The Democrats absolutely own the "white highly-educated upper-middle class/wealthy" demographic.  How much more elite can a demographic get?  

Old school liberal Ruy Teixeira says it better than I can.

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-democratic-coalition-shattered

https://www.thefp.com/p/voters-send-message-to-democrats-progressive-culture-issues

https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/democratic-delusions-arent-going

Originally Posted by James Brown

For starters, no one is whittling away at SS.  The tariffs are killing the market and trouncing 401k accounts, but that was not clear on election day.  The tariffs were announced as a campaign promise and anyone who took the time to do some research could have found out their effect on markets and the price of goods and could have said, "Now that I know this I can't vote R." You'll have to explain to me how Trump or R policies are affecting the working class's health. the Doge/project 2025 removal and/or reduction of food inspections, health and safety regulations, environmental regulations and a laundry list of similar things were announced ahead of time as a blanket 'reduction of regulations', the continuing rhetoric against ANY socialized medical care - the  health outcomes could have been foreseen and voters could have said, "Now that I know this I can't vote R."  R's have compelling arguments that their policies are better for the safety of the working class than the alternative.  You recall "defund the police" right?  And the R's are killing the D's on immigration policy , whether the elites like it or not.   

So, I would call the vast majority of working class people who migrated R, or migrated to Trump in 2024 rational voters given the economic and social context of last year's elections and especially given the choices presented to the voters and the campaigns those choices ran.  

I nagged a lot about this in mid-November 2024, but I am not going to sit by when my friends and associates reduce the motivations of 77 million voters to mere "stupidity" (or "racism" or "sexism" just because my friends and associates disagree with Trump voters on policy.  Think about it, that is what you are doing.  You are saying that 77 million people, or at least a lot of them, are "stupid"  because they have different circumstances, values, and policy preferences --- if someone prefers a policy that HURTS THEM and they know it is going to hurt them and they vote for it anyway,  I'm not sure what to say about that, what words to use --- This is a perfect example of James' original point.

Originally Posted by James Brown

Fair point, but is not public media beholden to the government?  No such thing as a free lunch.

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

In 2023, FBI Director Christopher Wray told Fox News it was his bureau's assessment that "the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident".