Posts Made By: David Cotterell

"So this new regulation is for entry to Canada.  But in order to enter Canada these truckers would have to get into the USA first."

I'm not a very clear writer sometimes.

I'll try again.

The new Canadian rule is that everyone entering Canada at land border crossings unvaxxed has to quarantine for  14 days, no option.  Canadian truckers who stay in Canada  are unaffected by this rule. They can drive from coast to coast unvaxxed.  Just as the Convoy has done.  

The only way that the new regulation (which is what started this whole thing) about quarantine could affect these truckers if they were to try to enter Canada.  In order to enter Canada one would have to NOT be in Canada which, for a trucker, means they would have to drive their truck into the USA first. 

As you correctly point out, none of them are doing that.   Unvaxxed people cannot go into the USA by land.  Thus they all stay in Canada and the new quarantine rule is completely moot. Which renders the reason for the protest a non-issue.

And I stand corrected - not your link to the Wiki article - it was Greg's.  I owe you a beer.

Dave

 Originally Posted by David Cotterell

What are being presented in Ottawa today if not "Alternative views"?  And as long as they remain peaceful they will be able to present their views.



Richard Davis
Oh they are NOT alternative views??? Then why did YOUR Prime Minister there who wants to play Grown Up when he still has the mindset of a small child, SAY PRECISELY THAT the other day when he was ON his soapbox?  



Read my bolded question again.  Does it say that the views being presented in Ottawa are not alternative ones? No.  No it doesn't.   I'll re-phrase that question as a declarative sentence.  The views being presented in Ottawa are alternative views. They are alternative to the views of about 85% of Canadians.  Trudeau said so.  Everybody saying their views.  Like free speech does.

Dave

An article from the Babylon Bee?  And we are 'discussing' it?  

90% of Canadian truckers are vaccinated and are driving all over N. America right now, crossing the border without delay.

Dave



 

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

"Conservative leader O'Toole ousted in Canada"
"The vote to oust O’Toole also came as conservative lawmakers were bruised by their party's third consecutive loss to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Liberals."
https://thehill.com/policy/international/592604-conservative-leader-otoole-ousted-in-canada

O'Toole was ousted by those within the CPC who were upset that O'Toole went along with legislation (now passed into law) banning the practice of Gay Conversion Therapy.

He wasn't far enough right.

And say hello to the new interim party leader, Candice Bergen.  Nice hat, kid!

Dave

Originally Posted by James Brown

Hi Rod:

In my opinion, one interesting political issue is who is supporting the truckers and who is supporting the government.  Based upon what I have read, it is the non-college educated working class and the youth who support the truckers and the educated, very liberal, wealthier/older establishment groups who support Trudeau.  This is additional evidence that the left, world wide, is abandoning the working class and finding it's new base with the monied classes.  Correspondingly, the working class gravitates to the right.  Not sure which is cause and which is effect.  In the states, this shift is especially true of the white working class.

This flip-flop of constituencies is well under way in the US.  Consider who is advocating "Defund the Police" vs. "Blue Lives Matter?"  Resentment against snobby liberal elites and Trump are a result of this shift in the US.  HRC's "basket of deplorables" is evidence of the left's abandonment of the working classes.  Now Trudeau is invoking an emergency powers act to quash a worker's protest to the applause of well-to-do progressives?  In the US, if working class voters of color move to the R party in significant numbers the flip-flop will be complete with some very interesting political consequences.

Jim

Hi, Jim.  90% of Canadians are vaccinated.  It is unlikely that very many of this group are supporters of the blockades.  A vast majority of Canadians oppose them.  Certainly 2/3 or more.

Yet you write, "Based upon what I have read, it is the non-college educated working class and the youth who support the truckers and the educated, very liberal, wealthier/older establishment groups who support Trudeau."

That's a pretty broad brush.  And an incorrect one. 

Only about 22% of Canadian adults are College educated.   But 66% at least of Canadians oppose the blockades.  So that means a majority of those opposed are less than college educated...  Far fewer Canadians are "Wealthy" -  The top 5% of income in Canada in 2021 = $128,634 - 95% of Canadians earn less than that but 2/3 at least of this group oppose the blockades...

The opposition to these "Truckers" is very broadly based across the country and cannot be identified with any one 'group' or demographic. A majority of those opposed are not college educated and earn less than $125000 a year. 

Then we have the usual QAnon far right people who organized it.  And what are their goals?  

Convoy Supporters



Dave

You think that this protest was about some grass roots truckers being against vax mandates to cross the border into the USA and back again.  Not really. 

Everyone up here knows that Vax mandates are a Provincial matter so going to the National Capital to attempt to effect change in these rules was never going to work.

It was never about that - read who is behind the scenes and the funding of the protest...

Fascists, racists etc.

Dave

These protestors, sadly, seem not to be aware of this simple fact:

Freedom without responsibility is just childhood.

Dave

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

They weren't going to the Capital to protest vaccines, as most are already vaccinated (90% as reported).

It was to protest the shutdowns all over Canada, and as usual and like all leftists, all you have are your despicable accusations of Racism and Facism.

Obviously you're about as clued in as any other blind leftist sheep who is supported by other taxpayers and has been his entire life.  

All of which were Provincial mandates.  But they didn't go to Provincial capitals.  But they did shut down international borders, including Windsor/Detroit to the extent that GM had to shut down temporarily. 

You pay taxes into a common fund for services in return like fire, police, meat inspectors, teachers, judges.  So you are just as guilty of being supported by other taxpayers all your life as I am.

Dave

You pay municipal taxes, some of which pays for firefighting services, e.g..

If you never have a fire at your house then the fire services portion of your taxes went to others in your area who did have fires.   (I suppose that's a redistribution of wealth in your mind...)

Another portion of your taxes goes to pay for restaurant health inspectors who guarantee your safety at your weekly visit to Chick-fil-a.  So you're getting a service that you paid for. 

You receive a plethora of goods and services from your tax dollars.  These all have value.  But none of them are cash-in-hand.  How stupid would that be???

"Hello, Fire department?  My house is on fire.  Can you send me an e-transfer from the money I gave you in taxes so that I can pay the firemen when they get here? KTHXBYE" 

From the sounds of some of what you write now and again here you would prefer to not pay taxes at all and just pay for things as you need them.  "Hello, Fire Department?  My house is on fire. Can you send some men and a truck.  How much will that be? ......... $14 000??  really?  For one house fire? "

Oh, wait, that's your health care system....'scuse me for that error..

Dave

Linking would put this article behind a paywall, so a screengrab will have to do.  Much food for thought.

Dave