Posts Made By: David Cotterell

Originally Posted by Darian Rachal

David, when you have some free time, watch the entire video. A friend sent the link this morning, I saw the length of the video and decided that, at the time, I didn't feel like stopping what I was doing for 18 minutes. Later this evening I decided to check it out.

The video is not about the way his life was ended.

I've watched it. More than once.   Yeah, he resisted at times during the arrest.  But they got him in cuffs with his hands behind his back and he was still alive.  They walked him across the street to the other police car.  He was still alive.   There was a struggle putting him in the car. He was still alive.  At one point Floyd seemed to be in a sitting position.  He was still alive.  They got him prone.  He was still alive.   

THEN one cop knelt on his neck for nearly 9 minutes.  One or two other cops knelt on his back for nearly 9 minutes. Then he was no longer alive.  

How dare you bring up his "background" in this discussion?  What has that to do with the police suffocating this person?  The penalty for being 'known to the police' isn't death.  The penalty for having a rap sheet a yard long isn't death. The penalty for having a prison record or a criminal record isn't death. (And I'm not saying Floyd had any of these - I don't know if he did or didn't - just taking a worst case scenario)   And, in the specific events in the video.......The penalty for passing phoney currency isn't death.  The penalty for resisting arrest isn't death. 

But those 4 policemen killed him anyway... 

Dave

 

I misunderstood you.  I watched the video of the arrest/death of George Floyd twice.  I thought that was your link...  

But you were linking to a young woman's video, which i have now watched, about George Floyd  not being a shining example of wonderfulness, not a 'credit to his race', so to speak.  I get that.  He was an imperfect guy.  His poor choices led him to become of interest to the police.  

So.  What. 

His past, his choices and what he did that day cannot be held up as excuses or reasons for how he was treated.. Bringing up his 'Background' just reeks of racism and whataboutism in this situation.

Dave 

Breonna Taylor.

Now make the same argument......please, bring up her background....

Dave

Darian wrote this.  

"the leftist lie that blacks are an oppressed minority in America...."

Might be the dumbest thing I've ever read on this forum...  

Dave

Originally Posted by Darian Rachal

So David, do you think that blacks are an oppressed minority in the US?

Yes.  

Dave

Originally Posted by Darian Rachal

What about in Canada? OK, so you and Jim Moscheck are inclined to characterize the US as a racist society?

We have the same problem here.  I can't or won't sugar-coat it...  

Here's one article which speaks to this topic...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/chris-hall-senator-says-canada-has-its-own-pandemic-of-racism-to-deal-with-1.5600806

To deny the problem now, in either of our homelands, is just plain wrong.

Dave

Originally Posted by Darian Rachal

Says the "man" living in lily-white Lincroft.  I guess there must be a lot of oppression of those 30+ blacks living there. Maybe the number has increased to 40 since this is the 2010 data. I suggest you crawl back into whatever hole you crawled out of. Stay in your little fantasy world.

The 2010 United States Census counted 6,135 people, 2,102 households, and 1,675.294 families in the CDP. The population density was 1,099.5 per square mile (424.5/km2). There were 2,159 housing units at an average density of 386.9 per square mile (149.4/km2). The racial makeup of the CDP was 94.77% (5,814) White, 0.52% (32) Black or African American, 0.00% (0) Native American, 3.26% (200) Asian, 0.00% (0) Pacific Islander, 0.23% (14) from other races, and 1.22% (75) from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 3.55% (218) of the population.[3]

Why, is Lincroft so "lily white"?   

Could it be the income gap between Whites and Black/hispanic people is so large that statistically large numbers of the latter groups cannot afford to live there?

Or, admittedly less likely, is there a systematic resistance among white residents to allowing people of colour to move in there?  

Or could it be black/hispanic people don't want to live there? This last question engenders more questions - why don't they want to live there?  What could cause certain people to not want to live in what is surely a 'nice' or 'desirable' community with good schools and beautifully kept homes?

What other reasons could there be for there to be communities scattered all across the USA that are 95% or 98% "White"?   Seriously, what other reason than one, two or all three of the possible reasons I listed above?  Please outline a reason that I have not considered....

Income Gap data
Dave

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

You give us your answers.  

All you've done is pose questions.  You claim you gave reasons, you didn't you offered questions.  

So now there is "systematic resistance of whites" against allowing Black individuals to move into their neighborhoods?

How does that manifest itself?

Are the whites in these neighborhoods getting together and plotting to keep out Black families?

Give support to your ridiculous claims. 

Rhetorical questions are not claims.  They are asked in order to foster discussion on this topic.

I've posed 3 possible scenarios which might create the ethnic mix seen in communities like the one in question.

I freely admit there may be a reason or two that did not occur to me and i have asked if anyone can suggest such reasons.

Please make a suggestion....

And now, a true story from my youth which speaks to the "systematic resistance of whites" scenario. 

My gran and gramps lived near us in Toronto in the 1960's.   They were active members of the Loyal Orange Lodge which was/is a poorly disguised  "Service Organization" which actively sought to limit jobs, housing and other aspects of normal life to Roman Catholics.  It was an anti-Irish thing, brought with many English folks when they immigrated to Canada.

I was present one day when gran was selling her house and she was attempting to instruct the real estate agent to show the house "only to our kind."  There was a hell of an argument in the kitchen between the real estate agent on the one side and my parents  and grandparents on the other.  The agent was trying to say that he was not allowed to discriminate like that and after much arguing and further mentions of "our kind" and "those people" etc. the agent was fired.  Mind you, this wasn't about black people or latinos - it was about Catholics!  Gran didn't want "them" in our neighborhood.  Some other agent was engaged and eventually sold the house to a newly immigrated family from England who were Orangemen too.  Gran got her way and the protestant-only neighborhood lasted a while longer..

I tell this story because if one little old lady can have a clear and strong hand in controlling the ethnicity and religion of a family moving into an area imagine what a group of like-minded folks could do along with a couple of cooperative real estate firms.  Gated communities, private security guards.....It's NIMBY in its most pure form. 

Restricting "the other" from memberships in golf clubs, social clubs, schools, Universities, certain townships in the south had 'sundown' rules until quite recently etc., etc.  No Black allowed.  Jim Crow laws...(Research what happened behind the scenes when Calvin Peete became the first black golfer to get into the Masters at Augusta National.)      

Systematic white resistance is certainly a viable scenario which might explain the existence of some "Lily-White" communities.  

Dave

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Nice story.

So your parents and grandparents were religious bigots.  Yup. I can tell many tales from then and about my struggle as a teenager and young adult to rid myself of this aspect of my upbringing...

We all know the past. 

We know that bigotry existed in the nation and that the KKK arose out of the Democrat party. Irrelevant to this discussion.  I've not mentioned political parties.  And bigotry still exists.

We know about the Jim Crow laws down South that were instituted by the Democrat party. 
Irrelevant to this discussion.  I've not mentioned political parties.   

What does that have to do with the assertions of "systemic racism" against blacks today, the notion that is falsely being propagated by Democrats and leftists,  asserting that this system exists against blacks because of the color of their skin?   Extrapolate from my Gran to larger numbers of people organized to a purpose.  You get enough people it can become 'systematic'... 

That story applies to many groups back in the days, when there was segregation, and Jim Crow laws instituted by the Democrat party, which Republicans fought against.  Irrelevant to this discussion.  I've not mentioned political parties.

One of the many reasons the Republican party arose was because of the bigotry and hatred of the Democrat party against blacks and other ethnic groups that emigrated to this nation over the last 200 years.  Doesn't address why there are "Lily White" communities.

The Republicans fought against the rotten Democrat party that gave us all these wonderful segregated schools, workplaces, and communities in the South back before the Civil Rights "revolution" of sorts.  

The Repubs fought against the Dred Scott decision given to us by the liberal Democrat Supreme Court at the time Under the auspices of Democrat Chief Justice Roger Taney.  In the first half of the 19th century.....Not relevant..... 

You have provided not a scintilla of evidence to support your crazy claim that in that area of NJ, groups of whites and bankers are getting together to keep out blacks and other minorities. Bankers?  Who mentioned bankers? 

Your creative lunacy is just that, and completely unsupported by anything you've said above.  

When you come up with the slightest bit of evidence you let us know.  Again, I'm trying to find out what other people think is the reason that there are "Lily White" communities.....

Until then I reject your crazy thoughts that arise in your warped and twisted leftist mind.

  

I'll take a page from your book, Richard, and ask you a direct question:

Why are there "Lily White" communities? What is behind this phenomenon?   (OK that's two questions....)

Dave 

Originally Posted by Jim Moscheck

Steve, you do know there are folks that live in the US that are not citizens. Right? 

You know, like if you lived in Great Britain you wouldn't be able to vote for Queen.    

Vote for a monarch?  Whaaaaaa...?  Reminds me of something......

Arthur: I am your king!
Dennis' Mother: Well I didn't vote for you.
Arthur: You don't vote for kings!
Dennis' Mother: How'd you become king, then?
Arthur: The Lady of the Lake,... [Angel chorus begins
singing in background] her arm clad in the purest
shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom
of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I,
Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. [Angel chorus ends]
THAT is why I am your king!
Dennis: Listen. Strange women lying in ponds
distributing swords is no basis for a system of
government. Supreme executive power derives from a
mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic
ceremony.
Arthur: Be quiet!
Dennis: You can't expect to wield supreme executive
power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at
you!
Arthur: Shut up!
Dennis: I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an
emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a
scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
Arthur: Shut up! Will you shut up?! [Grabs Dennis and
shakes him]
Dennis: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the
system!
Arthur: Shut up!
Dennis: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the
system! HELP, HELP, I'M BEING REPRESSED!
Arthur: BLOODY PEASANT!!
Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway. Did you hear that? Did you
hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you see
him repressing me? You saw it, didn't you?


Dave