Posts Made By: Mel Maki

Originally Posted by James Lacey

Mel,

Unless I'm missing something, the choice of the word "misunderstanding" was yours; not mine.

Regardless, a helpful thought experiment is, let's say, a husband hires a killer to kill his wife and that, unfortunately, the hitman is successful. Still, afterward, the husband claims it was all just a misunderstanding. Is he guiltless? Of course, he is not. In fact, by law, the husband is more guilty than the hitman. While this analogy is not perfect, it's pretty close to what Trump did.

We now know that amid the violence of the 1/6 riot, Trump expressed support for hanging Pence, not to mention he did nothing to stop the violence until hours after it began. Of course, you will say, "Voicing support for violence is something Trump did many times!" You may even suggest he was only joking. In return, I would say, the support for hanging Pence came during the Trump-stoked attack, and it is one he did little to stop. Jan. 6th resulted from a long history of disgusting lies and rhetoric from Trump that completely contradicts his Constitutional responsibilities. I do not doubt that he will somehow escape indictment and prosecution. Still, as far as myself and many other Americans are concerned, Trump will always be a fascist traitor who cares for nothing else than himself and his ego.

Originally Posted by Jim Moscheck

Well, Mel, I always thought you had a semi-open mind on most things. Boy, am I wrong.

They found one Republican, or as you say "a Republican"? I thought you said you were watching the hearings.

EVERYONE WHO HAS TESTIFIED SO FAR in the open hearings have BEEN REPUBLICAN! EVERY ONE! Not everyone below has testified in the live hearings, yet, but they are scheduled.

Please point out the democrats in the list. Trump appointed most of these folks, did he made mistakes choosing them? I thought he would only appoint the best people.

Bill Barr, former Attorney General
Ivanka Trump, advisor to Donald Trump
Pat Cipollone, former Trump White House counsel
Richard Donoghue, former Department of Justice official
Steve Engel, former Department of Justice attorney
Benjamin Ginsberg, GOP election lawyer
Cassidy Hutchinson, Trump White House aide
Greg Jacob, former Mike Pence general counsel
Michael Luttig, conservative attorney and former judge
Byung J. Pak, former US attorney for the northern district of Georgia
Brad Raffensperger, Georgia's secretary of state
Jeff Rosen, former acting attorney general
Marc Short, former Mike Pence chief of staff
Bill Stepien, former Trump campaign manager
Gabriel Sterling, Georgia state election official
Chris Stirewalt, former Fox News executive

Originally Posted by Jim Moscheck

I said when it happened that the second impeachment was too rushed and after more than 1000 interviews and counting (I'm looking at you Ginny Thomas and DJT) we are seeing the true picture. At the time the big lie and the capital riots still were too fresh and in some minds still plausible, but now after all these witnesses, 60+ big lie court cases dismissed, and Trump and his cronies discredited the country may be coming around.

But certainly not Mel, Greg, and Rich as they have too much invested in the big lie to somehow see the evidence presented for what it is, not their preconceived ideas of what (on edit) they think it is. 

Originally Posted by Jim Moscheck

No, a republican sycophant named mike pence finally grew a backbone on January 6th and wouldn’t go along with the big lie put forth by Eastman, Rudy, and Trump and company. You want to see a partisan blockhead? Look in the mirror. 

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

So, I take it you don't agree with this GOP candidate: "Greitens urges supporters to order their ‘RINO Hunting Permit’ in gun-heavy video"
                                                                              “The RINO feeds on corruption and is marked by the stripes of cowardice. … There’s no bagging limit, no tagging 
                                                                              limit, and it doesn’t expire until we save our country,”
                                                                              "Greitens, who is seen holding a long shotgun for the duration of the video, is surrounded by men in U.S. armed forces camouflage uniforms. He also urged his supporters to join the “MAGA crew” and to get a “RINO hunting permit” after he rushed into an empty house while his crew tossed in a flash grenade."
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3529772-greitens-urges-supporters-to-order-their-rino-hunting-permit-in-gun-heavy-video/
MAGA candidates...

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

"Our constitution prevents losing presidents from installing themselves."
But that didn't prevent Trump from attempting a coup, now did it? Nor did it prevent Trump from pressuring Pence to refuse to certify the electoral votes, now did it? Nor did it prevent a bunch of Republican congressmen from voting to refuse certification of the election, now did it?

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

Various rioters had guns and that's already been established.  However, "A tweet, which has received thousands of engagements since it was posted on June 11, 2022, shows a clip from Tucker Carlson Tonight in which Carlson says the events of Jan. 6 did not amount to an insurrection because none of the protesters were carrying guns."  "However, not only is there substantial and clear evidence that there were protesters with guns, it's also not clear why Carlson and other commentators believe that guns are a defining character of an insurrection."
"Let's start with the gun charges:
In April, 72-year-old Lonnie Coffman of Falkville, Alabama, was sentenced to four years in prison for bringing loaded guns, ammunition and Molotov cocktail ingredients to Washington on Jan. 6."
"In March 2022, 49-year-old Texan Guy Reffitt, was convicted (among other charges) for being unlawfully present on Capitol grounds while possessing a firearm and transporting firearms during civil disorder."
"A Department of Justice indictment from January 2021 also states that Christopher Alberts, Maryland, was found carrying a Taurus G2C semi-automatic handgun on Capitol grounds on January 6."
"Off-duty Drug Enforcement Administration agent Mark Sami Ibrahim, 32, was also indicted by a grand jury for bringing a firearm within the United States Capitol and its grounds."
"In an article for Newsweek, Nick Suplina and Justin Wagner of Everytown for Gun Safety said they had identified "12 individuals allegedly tied to the events of Jan. 6 who were arrested in Washington, D.C., and charged with firearms offenses."
Then read the rest of the recent Newsweek article detailing the issue(S)
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-were-there-armed-protesters-capitol-january-6-1715326
Oh, and attempting a coup is against the law:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385

Originally Posted by Jim Moscheck

Yeah, no one is paying attention to these hearings.

"The special congressional committee investigating the Capitol attack held its third round of public hearings last week, spotlighting the intense pressure Vice President Mike Pence received from Trump to overturn the 2020 election results.

A majority of those surveyed – 60% – say they believe the Jan. 6 committee is "conducting a fair and impartial investigation," up from 40% in April."


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/06/19/poll-trump-crime-role-jan-6-attack/7678110001/

They've only had three hearings so far and now "nearly 6 in 10 Americans say Trump should be criminally charged for his role in Jan. 6 riot, ABC poll says."

But no big deal, it was just a peaceful tourist outing by a bunch of patriots, right Mel? Your boy Trump said this weekend he'll even pardon anyone involved in Jan. 6th. if he gets re elected president. Surely they'll need those pardons because they are innocent, right Mel?