jess tauber said:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090519134843.htm
Jess Tauber
Thanks Jess
Is it smart to to be skeptical of psychic prophets, but dumb to be skeptical of computer prophets? Am not being critical. The silicon divining of chicken entrails is admirable research. Maybe there is something to it. Would be nice if computers can some day tell us the future.
My SOLE gripe is when unproven modeling techniques are used to forcibly take my money and restrict my freedom. Folks wanting to bet the farm on unproven models.
It has been observed that a successful psychic prophet will:
* Make vague predictions which MANY future events can resemble.
* Make far-future predictions after the prophet has made his money and is dead and gone.
Am not accusing that climate modeling intentionally borrows from the psychic prophet's toolbox, but the nature of the topic naturally bestows similar advantages.
Here is my infallible bullet-proof long-term prediction: Many bad things will happen in the era between 2050 and 2100.
The models must be tested. Now that predictions have been specified, it would not be scientific to meddle with the parameters until the after model has been validated. What scientist would set up apparatus, start an experiment, and then keep changing the experimental conditions throughout the trial?
Am not suggesting that we should wait for climate armageddon before giving a model final validation, but currently have the models been validated at all?
Since some modelers want to bet the farm on the models, perhaps it would be instructive to use a smaller sum of money as a confidence indicator.
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20090223/314648main_graph_temp_lg.jpg
The 5 year mean temp over the last century has a range of ~0.9 degree C. Given such a narrow range, what error bars would validate a climate prediction so it is improbable that the prediction is not just a 'lucky guess'? One might pick a number out of the air, maybe +/- 5% = +/- 0.045 degree C.
Perhaps a fairer way: Calc the 5 year separated deltas over the last century. For instance, the delta between 5 year averages for 1905 - 1900, 1906 - 1901, ... 2008 - 2003. Given actual historical 5 year deltas, it should be possible to calculate error bars E that would validate that a computer prediction has been correct within a p < 0.05.
To test yer confidence in current climate models: Pick your very most favoritest computer model. Calculate the 5 year Global Land-Ocean Temp anomaly five years hence in 2014 (so it doesn't overlap current measurements at all). I bet you $1000 that your computer model will be incorrect in predicting the 2014 5 year average to a p < 0.05. I pay you $1000 if the model is correct, and you pay me $1000 if the model is wrong.
If yer unwilling to take such a bet, then why would you be willing to spend WAY more of yer own money (in carbon tax etc) based on the model's predictions?
If you think it is too unfair to predict 2014, then does 2024 offer better odds of success? If you don't trust the model for 2024, then why have any credence for the model's 2100 prediction?