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Posts Made By: Jim Babcock

December 8, 2009 01:49 PM Forum: Global Warming - REAL or NOT

An Example of Newspaper Slant of AGW

Posted By Jim Babcock

Actually their coming out and speaking what thinking people already knew is the least damaging part. The worst part is their censorship. These bastions of free speech are anything but.

December 8, 2009 01:56 PM Forum: Global Warming - REAL or NOT

From: Edward Cook To: Keith Briffa, we know %&*

Posted By Jim Babcock

Come on all of the warmers out there. Help us understand exactly again how this statement is part of some far right wing conspiracy or just twisting the words of these esteemed "scientists". The silence of these scientists, academics and their doting followers says volumes. They may be silent hoping for the storm to pass, but it is important that the information that has been uncovered be constantly kept in front of the people if it is to eventually be taken seriously. Eventually with persistence, we may be able to get the facts to dictate the policies instead of destructive agendas by profiteering academics and idiots like Al Gore and Obama.

December 8, 2009 06:32 PM Forum: Global Warming - REAL or NOT

A Former Skeptic on GW

Posted By Jim Babcock

So when a photographer says GW is true, then it must be? But when Physicists or others say it is not, then they must be lying or on the payroll for big oil? 8O So as long as the person agrees with your position, then they have to be right, no matter their background.

I believed that GW was happening, but did not know why or care why. Now I simply do not know. The fact that things change naturally, is well...natural. Whether the ice melting is something to be worried about, it depends on who you listen to. Assuming that GW is happening, when the problems will happen and how dramatic they will be is also unknown. If we take the most safe estimates, then we should already be underwater. In fact by the estimates in the movie by the all knowing AlGore, we are doomed. He must be right. He is a warmer; he was VP; he is a lib; he got a Nobel Prize; and his movie got awards. If the warmers are right, we should either be taking care of the root cause of too many people by starting mass killing, or adjusting by rebuilding low cities on high land. Of course neither of these are being proposed. Instead the solutions are about politics. Obama and the left taking full political advantage of a disaster. SOP.

December 9, 2009 01:26 PM Forum: Politics

Star Parties and Politics Forum Denizens

Posted By Jim Babcock

I usually attend the Nebraska Star Party in Valentine.

December 9, 2009 07:52 PM Forum: Politics

Are you ready for some stimulus?

Posted By Jim Babcock

Actually the ones who came up with this "stimulus" and their supporters are the ones whose sanity I would question.

December 9, 2009 11:53 PM Forum: Global Warming - REAL or NOT

Climate Scientist: Quit Washing to Save Planet

Posted By Jim Babcock

Who funds idiots like this guy? We need to follow the money. These days the more I read his credentials at the top of your post the less credibility the guy had. I would even trust a community organizer's perspective on GW more than someone with credentials like this guy. 8O For clarification, not necessarily Barry's, but an average run of the mill, non political community organizer.

These guys are nuts. It is just another small example of how typical warmers think. I am sure that we may even have a few warmers around here who will see the brilliance of their comrade's assessment.

December 10, 2009 12:42 AM Forum: Global Warming - REAL or NOT

Brisbane

Posted By Jim Babcock

Don't you get it, it is only a few bad apples. Do not look behind the curtain Dorothy. We must have these brilliant guys who do not believe in washing to interpret the data and tell us what to believe. It must be true because Obama being the most brilliant and perfect to walk the earth believes it.

I want to believe...I want to believe...I want to believe...There's no place like home...There's no place like home...There's no place like home...

December 10, 2009 12:42 AM Forum: Global Warming - REAL or NOT

December 10, 2009 02:30 AM Forum: Global Warming - REAL or NOT

Cook this data

Posted By Jim Babcock

Can't the Political Climatologists just fiddle with the numbers and make it seem like we have higher sunspot activity than there actually is. Would that not simply make the actual hurricane activity adjust because we have such experts at manipulating numbers. If we find an advocacy group to pay for some grants, we can pay Political Climatologists to say anything we want. If there is some kind of disaster that we can find, certainly the media and the libs would get on board.

We can learn from the warmers.

December 12, 2009 05:43 PM Forum: Global Warming - REAL or NOT

AP Review: Science Not Faked

Posted By Jim Babcock

The AP studied all the e-mails for context, with five reporters reading and rereading them — about 1 million words in total.

Wow I am glad that journalists are as unbiased as these scientists were:

The scientists were so convinced by their own science and so driven by a cause "that unless you're with them, you're against them," said Mark Frankel, director of scientific freedom, responsibility and law at the American Association for the Advancement of Science. He also reviewed the communications.

I thought that science was supposed to be skeptical and in search of the facts, not agenda driven or personal about those who disagree with you.

The e-mails also showed a stunning disdain for global warming skeptics.

One scientist practically celebrates the news of the death of one critic, saying, "In an odd way this is cheering news!" Another bemoans that the only way to deal with skeptics is "continuing to publish quality work in quality journals (or calling in a Mafia hit.)" And a third scientist said the next time he sees a certain skeptic at a scientific meeting, "I'll be tempted to beat the crap out of him. Very tempted."


As expected warmers simply try to make stopping people with different views from publishing, telling others to destroy emails and other fraudulent activities seem like normal discord.

"This is normal science politics, but on the extreme end, though still within bounds," said Dan Sarewitz, a science policy professor at Arizona State University. "We talk about science as this pure ideal and the scientific method as if it is something out of a cookbook, but research is a social and human activity full of all the failings of society and humans, and this reality gets totally magnified by the high political stakes here."

But in the end, global warming didn't go away, according to the vast body of research over the years.

In other words, just trust us. We have received PHDs from buddies of ours who have the same preconceived notions about AGW and we have now been shown to be frauds, but just ignore the guy behind the curtain.

"In my opinion the meaning is much more innocent than might be perceived by others taken out of context. Much of this is overblown," North said.

If you and your buddies careers were on the line along with millions in grant money, what would you expect him to say differently?

Some e-mails said McIntyre's attempts to get original data from scientists are frivolous and meant more for harassment than doing good science. There are allegations that he would distort and misuse data given to him.

How scientific of him. Only provide the raw data to those who already are predisposed to your opinion.

McIntyre disagreed with how he is portrayed. "Everything that I've done in this, I've done in good faith," he said.

And how do you know when a liar is telling the truth?

The AP is mentioned several times in the e-mails, usually in reference to a published story. One scientist says his remarks were reported with "a bit of journalistic license" and "I would have rephrased or re-expressed some of what was written if I had seen it before it was released." The archive also includes a request from an AP reporter, one of the writers of this story, for reaction to a study, a standard step for journalists seeking quotes for their stories.

Ah so the AP who provided the analysis has long been supporters of the warmers. I see.

I bet I could find some other journalists at Fox or the Daily Standard who could do an analysis and come to the exact opposite conclusions that these AP reporters have. Why not have used car salesmen do the analysis? It would be just about as useful.