Retired Air Force General Chuck Boyd endorses BidenPosted By Darian Rachal |
The drug Trump says "cured" him of CoVid (edit) was tested using embryonic stem cells (end edit)Posted By Darian Rachal |
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/08/fact-check-left-falsely-claims-trumps-coronavirus-treatments-developed-using-fetal-tissue/Originally Posted by Jim MoscheckWow, you guys still don't get it.
Where is the outrage, especially from handmaiden Davis. I guess it's OK to kill fetuses if it's to harvest embryonic stem cells to make a drug for Trump?
So, I guess you guys can wait until after the election since Judge Amy is against abortion. If she helps overturn Roe vs Wade I guess if we the virus we won't be getting the free dead fetus cure that Trump has been touting.
F'ing hypocrites.
The drug Trump says "cured" him of CoVid (edit) was tested using embryonic stem cells (end edit)Posted By Darian Rachal |
Rod, IIRC, wasn't some medical benefits derived from the medical "experiments" that the Nazis performed on concentration camp prisoners? It's my understanding that meticulous records were kept and after the war, these were used by doctors to actually benefit individuals.Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman
Don't expect an answer from the proud boys...
The drug Trump says "cured" him of CoVid (edit) was tested using embryonic stem cells (end edit)Posted By Darian Rachal |
Rod, this is simply an opinion piece. I think you have to be rather naive to think that all this human experimentation was conducted by crackpots and that no useful information could be derived from any of it. It is interesting to ponder the rationale which was used to justify this inhumane behavior. I assume under Nazi law it was entirely legal, as were other laws justifying the confiscation of property, denying employment positions, etc.Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman
No there wasn't any medical benefit:
"″The data are useless,″ he said. ″It’s not scientific. It should be rejected outright. There should be no ethical discussion over it. You don’t discuss scientifically useless data. You discuss data that have scientific merit but were obtained in an unethical fashion.″
https://apnews.com/article/c89056409cf43ae18b6b85764ecafc68
The drug Trump says "cured" him of CoVid (edit) was tested using embryonic stem cells (end edit)Posted By Darian Rachal |
Rod, one has to keep in mind that these individuals that were experimented on were viewed as less than "human" according to the Nazis. Granted they were horrible and cruel experiments, but to think that some were not conducted in order to acquire "useful" information is, IMO, not being realistic. You seem to have this idea that a bunch of "mad scientists" were simply getting their kicks by torturing people in medical experiments.Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman
No it is not simply an opinion piece. It is a fact check. And I think one has to be off one's rocker to believe "useful information" can be gleaned by insane nazi human experimentation conducted in WW2...
The drug Trump says "cured" him of CoVid (edit) was tested using embryonic stem cells (end edit)Posted By Darian Rachal |
Originally Posted by Greg ShafferOriginally Posted by Rod Kaufman
Here's a prominent one of those, Greg: "Dr. Robert Pozos of the University of Washington, who in the past has advocated use of the Nazi results, said after reading Berger’s report that the experimenters’ scientific methods were ″atrocious.″ He added, ″My opinion is that the data should not be referenced″ in other research papers. ″It should not be used.″
https://apnews.com/article/c89056409cf43ae18b6b85764ecafc68
The drug Trump says "cured" him of CoVid (edit) was tested using embryonic stem cells (end edit)Posted By Darian Rachal |
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-ethics-of-using-medical-data-from-nazi-experimentsOriginally Posted by Rod Kaufman
I found many articles discussing whether so-called nazi experiments and research should be used, the ethics in considering it and the like. I did not find hundreds articles arguing for it...
The drug Trump says "cured" him of CoVid (edit) was tested using embryonic stem cells (end edit)Posted By Darian Rachal |
Nevertheless, there are those that think it should be used. It's basically a debatable question.Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman
After looking at the article, two things stand out for me: 1. They're aren't hundreds that think the data should be used, not even close to that. 2, The section on scientific validity says it all.
Barrett's Failures Of Disclosure's Pour InPosted By Darian Rachal |
Originally Posted by Rod KaufmanLatest RCP betting odds average: Biden=65.4, Trump=34.8.
Can't wait for Biden and Harris to tackle the court issue...
Barrett's Failures Of Disclosure's Pour InPosted By Darian Rachal |
Rod, we'll see in a few more weeks.Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman
Still waiting for you and Greg and Steve and Rich to stand together, shoulder to shoulder, at a packed Trump rally, in the front row. I'm not even asking that you become human props in Trump's background.
Oh I know, I know, some polls were wrong in 2016 so all of them must be wrong in 2020...
If Trump wins, I'll only derive a minor amount of pleasure from you, and other like-minded individuals on the Forum's disappointment, but I will derive immense pleasure in the reaction of the leftist MSM, just like in 2016.
