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Posts Made By: Doug Peterson

February 8, 2009 02:01 AM Forum: Global Warming - REAL or NOT

Dr. John Christy responds to allegations

Posted By Doug Peterson



Dr. Christy,

I have been an admirer or your work and Dr. Spencer's. On a global warming forum, an alarmist meteorologist named Robert Pasken has repeatedly attacked the two of you. I copied a sample below. If you would like to make a response, I would be glad to post it to the forum.

Doug Peterson

http://www.astromart.com/forums/list.asp?forum_id=914

Did you bother to look at John Christy's reputation as a climate scientist? Maybe you didn't notice that the research he publishes in journals and at conferences, and talks he gives at scientific meetings all support global warming. Did you notice that he and SInger have published several papers that document a rate of warming that is VERY VERY close to that of Hansen and other researchers. Did you notice that he and SInger have published in scientific journals and conference proceedings that their earlier results were wrong due to simple math errors? Did you also notice that when he or SInger published in SSEI, SSPI or speak at Heartland Institute sponsored events, or speak at meetings sponsored by fake conservatives that both he and SInger both deny that global warming exists? Did you notice that SSEI, SSPI and the Heartland Institute received the majority of their funding from ExxonMobil. Maybe nobody really cares what both he and SInger have to say because they seem to contradict themselves when money is involved. Oh! I wonder if people like SInger, Christy and Avery are the ones you fake conservatives keep talking> about when you say climate scientists are in the business for the money. To move on to you reference to the article by Christy in JC you might want to look at later issues of JC, EOS and to BAMS where the glaring errors that Christy et. al. made were documented. Like SInger and Christy's simple math errors in their analysis of satellite data, Christy made glaring errors in the analysis of the California central valley temperature data. It seems that when you fix the mistakes their cooling rate of -0.25± 0.15°C decade-1 disappears. Once more the scientific method proves it worth. Christy et. all thought they found something interesting, published their findings, some one else looks at the results, finds a flaw and corrects it. Science is working as it should. My problem is that Christy et. al. are always making math errors and their errors are never in a random fashion, but always seem to be such that their results disprove global warming.



CHRISTY'S RESPONSE

Doug:

I don't engage in these types of discussions. I do not know a RobertPasken, so I would treat his accusations with indifference.

For your own benefit, attached is a response (published) to the criticisms mentioned below on the California paper. The basic point is that I actually performed several rigorous tests for the trends we published (the controversy dealt with only one of 16 trends by the way). In any case Id emonstrated the validity of our method and the fact the data used by the complainers has never been tested for validity and indeed even the authors of those datasets do not recommend them for trends. There were absolutely no "glaring errors" in our paper.

I'm not certain about the other complaints - our satellite dataset has passed through more independent evaluation that others and has been shown to be the most consistent with independent data in the published literature (attached is one of several papers showing this). A new paper will come out soon demonstrating this point again. I suspect Pasken is not reading the literature, but reading blogs and listening to assertions that fit his biases - that gives people great comfort, but it is not the way science is done.

John C.


THE PAPERS ATTACHED WERE:

Reply, John R. Christy and Wiliam B. Norris, Kevin P. Gallo, Journal of Climate vol 20.

Satellite and VIX--Radiosonde Intercomparisons for Diagnosis of Nonclimactic Influences, John R. Christy and William B. Norris, Journal of Climate, Sepatember 2006

I can copy Christy's letter and the two pdfs to anyone who is interested.





February 8, 2009 08:04 AM Forum: Global Warming - REAL or NOT

C02 climbing, temperatures dropping

Posted By Doug Peterson

CO2 KEEPS GOING UP:

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/co2_data_mlo.html


BUT GLOBAL AVERAGE TEMPERATURE STAYS FLAT OVER LAST DECADE, RECENT COOLING

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/2008/dec/glob-jan-dec-pg.gif


YOUR TAX DOLLARS PAID FOR THIS DATA


Why do global alarmists ignore the data (and there's plenty more) but keep telling you to believe them rather than your lying eyes? They hang their hats on embarassing computer models that keep predicting warming in direct conflict with the actual climate. I guess that is why we now talk of climate change rather than global warming.


February 22, 2009 07:07 PM Forum: Global Warming - REAL or NOT

Our climate change czar is a socialist.

Posted By Doug Peterson

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/12/obama-climate-czar-has-socialist-ties/

March 7, 2009 07:45 PM Forum: Global Warming - REAL or NOT

The scientific proof for global alarmism right here:

Posted By Doug Peterson

Lets use this forum to collect some data. Please post the scientific proof that the climate change alarmist position has science to back it up right here.

Some things that don't count as scientific proof:

The pronouncements of politicians on either side. Do you believe anything else they say?
The pronouncements of scientists on either side; science is not a faith-based enterprise.
IPCC computer model output that cannot predict the present much less the future.
Your opinion or my opinion.
Changing the subject.
Attacking the opposition with anything but facts.

Lets stick to the science. I'll keep the truth-meter running.

Go:

March 8, 2009 04:59 PM Forum: Global Warming - REAL or NOT

Interesting Blogs on Climate Change

Posted By Doug Peterson

PRO-ALARMIST:


http://realclimate.org/

Gavin Schmidt is a NASA scientist.


http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2008/07/how_to_talk_to_a_sceptic.php


http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

The playbook.





NEUTRAL:


http://climatesci.org/

The Pielkes are serious scientists who trust only the science.


http://rankexploits.com/musings/

Lucia does a lot of analysis of the satellite and surface data.


http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/

Graph the data yourself, I love it.



SKEPTICAL:


http://wattsupwiththat.com/

Anthony Watts is a meteorologist whose speciality is documenting the condition of weather stations. Winner of the 2008 WebLog award for best science blog.


http://www.icecap.us/

Good news headquarters.


http://www.climateaudit.org/

Steve McIntyre is a data analyst periodically comes up with some interesting results. 2007 WebLog award for best science blog. Tough going.


March 13, 2009 05:29 AM Forum: SCI-FI

Your Worst SF Novel ever?

Posted By Doug Peterson

Commitment Hour, James Alan Gardner. The author's preoccupation with peepees and weewees is incredibly boring and juvenile. Yuch.

March 14, 2009 04:47 PM Forum: Global Warming - REAL or NOT

Global Average Temperatures--tax dollars at work

Posted By Doug Peterson

The major government climate monitors publish these summary figures that are useful references:

NOAA
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2008/ann/global.html

The UK Met Office hadcrut 3
http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/diagnostics/comparison.html

Goddard Institute for Space Studies
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/

NASA/UAH satellite
http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/




April 7, 2009 04:46 PM Forum: Religion

BIOLA: Anyone but me at the Hitchens/Craig debate?

Posted By Doug Peterson

Saturday 4/4.

4000 people crammed into a basketball venue. Estimates 2/3 Christians, 1/3 skeptics.
10s of thousands worldwide on monitors.

Hugh Hewitt moderated.

Everyone was well behaved, no booing, plenty of cheering.

Christopher Hitchens showed an unexpectedly sensitive side when Craig challenged him to explain why he attacks religions. Hitchens replied: freedom, that everyone should have the opportunity to make their own decision. And he reiterated that in other places and times religion is very much different and far more oppressive than in mega church America. He also pointed out that when someone claims to tell him how to live his life on word from God, he expects some extraordinary evidence.

Craig's cosmological arguments seemed dated. With new thinking about 10 dimensional brane worlds, bubble universes, and forming universes moving back or forward in time, a First Cause may no longer be philosphically necessary.

A good time was had by all.

April 8, 2009 10:50 AM Forum: AstroMart FAQ

Bizzare trade offers

Posted By Doug Peterson

What's the deal with people making unsolicited offers to trade 1100 or 1200 dollars worth of meteorites (i.e. rocks) or fine wines (gag) for my 500 dollar eyepiece. Obviously their stuff isn't worth that, but I am supposed to take their word for it. I think I will just start ignoring these offers.

April 9, 2009 03:20 PM Forum: Global Warming - REAL or NOT

Polar Ice Extent update - North and South

Posted By Doug Peterson

" ... Meanwhile in the Arctic, sea ice area is about 500,000 km2 below normal, which means that global sea ice area (Arctic + Antarctic) is about 500,000 km2 above normal."



http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/08/polar-ice-worries-north-and-south/#more-6868