Posts Made By: Gerald Miller

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

And ANY gun can be effective at killing.  It depends upon the training of the person behind the weapon, which once again is an indicator that the gun isn't the problem, it is the psycho who is using it.  

Just as the CAR or vehicle isn't the KILLING machine when it is driven into a crowd of people, the instrument of destruction is the mind of the nutjob who gets IN that vehicle and drives it into a crowd of people.  

The Court did not rule that all guns are allowed-only those guns that can be reasonably demonstrated and regularly used to defend oneself in their home.
An AR-15 does not fall into that category and making them illegal is not constitutionally protected.

Why aren't fully automatic weapons legal to own, then? 

If it makes sense to outlaw fully automatic weapons that same logic and reason justifies outlawing AR-15's.

And yes, any gun can be used to kill. But an AR15 is especially designed for that purpose and does so quickly, efficiently, and quickly.
There is no reason these guns should be legal to manufacture and own for consumers.

And yes, a vehicle, a screwdriver, a rock, and any number of common day items can be used to kill. But those things are not designed specifically for that purpose and are not very efficient at it, and the risk of mass killing is non-existent compared to a guy with an AR-15 walking into a church pumped up by what he watches on TV or reads on some right wing anti-Semitic website.

If it was your child killed, or parent, or grandparent, while they innocently went to worship or baptize a baby (and the baby was killed as well), along with as many people can be killed before the cops arrive and then a few of them get shot as well, you likely would reconsider your flawed logic and want them outlawed, too.

Enough killing of innocents because gun nuts think if we outlaw an AR-15, they'll come after the rest. That's the NRA talking on behalf of the gun manufacturer's and not based on reason or common sense.

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Oh I see.  Linking a guy who went to a ball field and tried to assassinate Republican congressmen, using a rifle, who was a Bernie Sanders supporter should have been mentioned, I guess by Fox News and Fox News should have blamed his actions on Bernie Sander's words, where he ended up nearly Killing Republican House member Steve Scalise.

The difference is that Fox News never blamed leftist Bernie Sanders for the attempted murder of the Republicans by the Sanders supporters and your leftist News outlets blame everything under the sun on Donald Trump.  

The difference between reporting by the Fox News network and the biased reporting by the leftist news outlets you apparently watch.  

If there was a link between the two as clearly shown as the link between Trump and the MAGABomber's, then, absolutely, it should have been reported. The problem was there was no clear link as there is in this case. All the news media did was report the connection between Trump and the suspect as shown by his stickers on his van and his attendance at Trump rallies. The MSM did not "blame" Trump as you suggest; it's not the job of the news to make that judgment for us. We can make it on our own based on the uncontroverted facts that were reported.

The DC shooter was obviously driven by hate for the right, but there was never any direct connection made that he was motivated specifically by Sanders words or actions.  Sanders words may have influenced him, but it was never really proven, and you can't make that presumption just because you think that was true unless you have some evidence to back it up. It was reported by the MSM as well as FoxNews that he was a Sanders supporter, so they did report the connection. But unlike the Trump guy, they couldn't show he was present at any rallies where Sanders demonized that the shooter specifically targeted. Sanders or others may have been responsible for pumping this guy up, but there simply was no explicit evidence they could hang their hat on to make that direct comparison.

You and others think the MSM is biased simply because they say report the news, for the most part, fairly accurately. Are they perfect? No. But the only reason you think they have an agenda is because what they report doesn't mix well with the realty you live in. FoxNews fills that gap with reporting so biased that the only people that don't think it is are the ones that only watch it for all the news. Anyone who spreads out the news among many media outlets gets a better understanding of what the truth about the what's going on in the world is. It's for that reason so many of the more reputable reporters for FoxNews have recently quit.

Limiting yourself to watching only FoxNews or only other right wing websites to keep current on what's going on is insane. If your goal is living in a false realty and not wanting to be accurately informed then that's the way to go. They'll happily keep feeding you what you like to hear, and shield you (as much as they can get by with) with news that you don't.

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

I did forget that Rod.  DeNiro has let his acting roles go to his head.  

This is really getting boring. Please don't take my lack of response as anything other than I've got better things to do and I'm just growing tired of all your bs.

I do agree with you it's a waste of time to have any discussion with you, however. That's one point we can agree on.

So, I'd rather not waste any more.

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

I agree. Your entire premise of blaming Donald Trump for everything bad that happens in this society is getting tiring.  Your party leadership is disgusting. They inject race baiting and sexism into every f'in issue and you and others like you suck it up.  

They tell you that Donald Trump is Hitler and you start foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog.  

And I'll ask you again, what was the last non-fiction book you've read on anything current in the news or history?  

The Life of Ulysses S. Grant, by Ronald C. White if you must know. Before that, it was Killer of the Flower Moon by David Grann. Great book.

From this point on, I will no longer respond to your posts, including any response to this one. Please understand though it's not because I can't beat any right wing argument you've ever made or can make, rather, it's because it seems apparent based on your postings you have some very real issues, and I neither want to exacerbate them or antagonize you any more than I may have already done.

And, there is no amount of logic or proof that will ever convince you otherwise so what's the point?

And yes, you can insult me for this decision for whatever reason you want, but the truth is, as you put it, it's simply a waste of time to engage with you, and perhaps not healthy for you, as well as a pointless exercise in futility. Your mind is closed to all except that which you want to believe, even when the truth is staring at you in the face.

If anyone else wants to have a discussion, I'm all ears.

I hope you can expand your knowledge of what's actually going on in the world beyond what those right wing websites and FoxNews feeds you. You may find yourself a lot less stressed out and have less of a need to make multiple daily posts from the daily talking points on those sites that you do often, and perhaps also less likely to think "ALL" Democrats are the evil beings you have made them out to be in your head. I realize the likelihood of that happening is minimal, and that I'm probably the last person you would ever take advice from anyway.

I do wish for you the very best life has to offer, however, and best of luck in your endeavors.

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

Good....because the level of insanity and miss-information being displayed here is both frightening and depressing.....

If the shoe fits... .

Fascism is nothing new and is amazingly simple to create.

First, you start by blaming others for the loss of the past where traditional values and a better life was the norm and vow to make things the way they were before that go so bad. In Germany, it was the Jews who caused the loss in WWII. Mussolini, it was the Romans. In Turkey, it was the Ottoman empire. For Trump, it was a time where traditional life ruled the day, everyone had a great paying job, and life was good. He'll make America Great Again, and vows to return America to a time where traditional values were lost.

Second, things will only get better if the leader stays in power. Trump has stated that the stock market would crash and dire results would happen if he was not in power.

Third, you divide. Germans against Jews. Hindu against Muslims. Whites against blacks.  Americans against "illegal immigrants." Conservatives verses Liberals.  Use fear to feed the divide as a divided country is much weaker to slow the process down. Trump has stated that immigrants were murderers and rapists, and even recently suggested that a caravan with middle easterner's was going to invade the US, and even is sending troops to protect us to stoke that fear.

Fourth, control the truth. Attack the truth with lies constantly because when what is true and what is false is questionable, then the masses won't know what to believe. Mock the press and call it fake news. In Germany they were more open about it-they criminalized the free press and then controlled it, which is a bit more efficient, but the result is the same. If everyone agrees that every source of news is biased, then no one will believe the truth no matter what it may be.

Trump has said as much, saying he criticizes the press because then the people won't believe it when they read any negative articles. He lies almost with every breath he takes, and no one disputes it, and his adoring followers accept that behavior as normal.

Fifth, you emphasize "country first". Remember the "National Socialist German Workers' Party"? Trump has declared himself to be a nationalist. 

That's the formula to stay in power and Team Trump know it too well and practice it every day.

If you think our country can not fall victim to such tactics, think again. Neither did the Jews in 1937. Neither did the Prime Minister of England Neville Chamberlain who negotiated a peace agreement with Hitler thinking it would be the end of German aggression in 1938.

Living in a Democracy takes work to insure our freedoms are not taken away. It takes a knowledge of history and to know when you are being played. It takes a free press and the belief that not "ALL" media is biased. It takes a healthy skepticism listening to what those who want power are saying.

And today, with untold billions being poured into races by unknown factions that no longer require to be disclosed, our freedom truly is at risk whether we realize it or not.

Is it possible for what happened in other countries with Fascist leaders happen here? Even though unlikely because we still have certain checks and balances, the the truth is that anything is possible, if we are not diligent in protecting our freedom and realize that the playbook of fascists has no place here. While it may be more difficult, it cannot be said it cannot happen any less than that could be said in 1938 Germany.

When I see the rallies Trump has been holding, and the hateful chants against the press and the chants of "lock her up" when Hillary is mentioned regardless of the fact she was never charged with a crime, reminds me too well of the Nazi rallies, where Hitler attacks his enemies and vowed they would be destroyed.

This is a sad time for our country, no matter which side of the political fence you may reside.
We should not live in fear, but I fear Team Trump far more than I fear any immigrant.

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

LOL....substitute Obama for Trump and it would be 100% accurate lol

I don't recall Obama campaigning on returning to a better past, but rather a better future based on hope.

I don't recall any rally where Obama had the audience chant lock his opponent up.

I don't recall Obama calling immigrants "rapists and murderers" nor did he ever demonize he opponents.

I don't recall Obama encouraging the division between the parties. If anything, he was naive. It was McConnel and the other Republicans that vowed to oppose anything he proposed and make him a one term President. It was right wingers who carried racially derogatory placards of him. It was the same who alleged he was a Muslim. It is the same group now that support Trump. And racism didn't play a part in Trump's campaign? If anything, his election was blowback because a half black guy with a middle name of Hussein had been elected.

I don't recall Obama attempting to discount the press in any way.

And I don't recall a single lie ever spoken by him (well, there was that one you could keep you own doctor, but was that a lie, or a mistake? Guess that one depends on your point of view). But certainly not on the scale of lies spewing out of Trump's mouth every single day.

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

Well how could you remember it....you dont watch TV remember?

No, but I do stay current on the news from other sources. Just not cable news or sat, and I think I've watched network news for a total of about three minutes this year alone.

But please, enlighten me. Give me some examples by Obama that even comes close to Trump's awful behavior and that falls in line with fascism? Please. Be my guest.

One of the elements I left out that fascist leaders commonly use and promote is conspiracy theories as well. Yep, Trump does that too. Too many to mention. I don't remember Obama doing much of that, either.

Originally Posted by Gerald Miller

No, but I do stay current on the news from other sources. Just not cable news or sat, and I think I've watched network news for a total of about three minutes this year alone.

But please, enlighten me. Give me some examples by Obama that even comes close to Trump's awful behavior and that falls in line with fascism? Please. Be my guest.

One of the elements I left out that fascist leaders commonly use and promote is conspiracy theories as well. Yep, Trump does that too. Too many to mention. I don't remember Obama doing much of that, either.

Seriously, Greg, give me some examples. I'm waiting. 

Originally Posted by Keith Fredrickson

SNORT!!!

That was EXACTLY what I thought after the first few paragraphs of that dribble.

Absolutely clueless.

Yes, you both are. Just like the Jews in 1938.