Posts Made By: Greg Shaffer

Originally Posted by David Cotterell

I did not say there was collusion.  Neither did Mueller and neither was it proven via the Steele Dossier.  No collusion.  I get it.  Wasn't my point. 

1). Did Trump say he would take any offered intelligence from foreign sources which he might use against his opponents in the 2020 campaign?  Yes he did.  Is this an alarming thing to hear from the POTUS? Your call....

2). Did Mueller find massive interference in the 2016 election? Yes he did.  Did he say which candidate/party benefitted from the interference? No he didn't and neither did I.  Is interference by any foreign power in favour of any party an alarming thing to hear? Your call...

3). Did McConnel block all those bills which were intended to combat foreign interference in future elections?  Yes he did.  Is this in and of itself a danger to your democracy?  Your call.....

Is the COMBINATION of all three a threat to your democracy? Your call.....

Dave

Originally Posted by David Cotterell

Oh boy! Another "But Hillary" rebuttal.  Well, at least you didn't squeeze out a "Snert"....

Simple question:

Do you care that the Russians are interfering in your elections or not.  

Dave

Originally Posted by Jim Moscheck

Charles Steele wasn't a foreign government and he alerted the FBI of his findings. 

Originally Posted by Jim Moscheck

I meant Christopher Steele, and you know damn well that’s who I meant. BTW - Do you know any more immature responses besides Snort and LOL. Those are getting kind of stale.

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

For those who care to understand and are capable of comprehending...
Experts we spoke to described a range of differences between the type of information Trump said he would accept and what Clinton’s campaign was paying Fusion GPS for.
The main difference is the role of a foreign government.
"Working hand-in-hand with a foreign power for information intended to influence an election is different than hiring a private firm that then hired somebody who had been a former intelligence agent," said Karen Greenberg, director of the Center on National Security at Fordham Law.
"Everybody does opposition research," she added. "The issue here is the foreign government."
That distinction is critical, experts told us, because a foreign government that interferes in American politics is likely to have a stake in what happens on Election Day.
While Russia’s meddling was intended to help Trump win, Steele was contracted by Fusion GPS to find out more about Trump’s ties to Russia. "That has nothing to do with a candidate soliciting something from a foreign power," former CIA intelligence agent Glenn Carle said.
"One is collecting intelligence and the other is an active measure by a foreign power to achieve a political end of some sort," Carle said. "There’s no comparison at all."
A foreign government could also take measures that Steele, a private British citizen, would not have been capable of, said Max Bergmann, senior fellow at the left-leaning Center for American Progress and an expert on U.S.-Russia policy. Russia, for example, used its intelligence apparatus to hack the Clinton campaign and steal damaging information.
"Steele is not a member of the U.K. government, so it’s not like they (the Clinton campaign) were working with a foreign government that was trying to interfere in our election," Bergmann said. "They’re not in the same ballpark."

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2019/jun/13/how-pundits-defended-trumps-abc-interview-and-why-/


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Originally Posted by Mel Maki

You often post that link. It doesn't contradict what I'm saying. Maybe a couple of years ago it fit into a discussion you were having.