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Started by pkamm, 01/26/2003 05:18AM
Posted 01/26/2003 05:18AM Opening Post
I'm reading a book about nothing. No, it's not Seinfeld, it's K.C. Cole's "The Hole in the Universe" and the whole book is about nothing, our development of it, and it's place in the Universe. It's real interesting.

Not done yet but it's occurred to me that NOTHING, in the absolute sense cannot exist and never has. I mean, it's only there to compare to something. Some models of cosmology state more or less that 'something' came from 'nothing' because 'nothing' is unstable, that 'nothing' being a quantum-fluctuating false vacuum or something, but even THAT's a sort of 'something' so that's not really 'something' from 'nothing' but merely a 'something' from a very different 'something'. Even if you believe 'everything' was created from 'nothing' by 'God' from an absolute nothing sense, i.e. there was no quantum-fluctuating spacetime or anything, God made it but then He himself would have to be 'something' as He could hardly be 'nothing', unless he didn't exist, in which case he couldn't have made anything.

So there never really was 'nothing'. Ever. The discussion of whether there is/was a Creator is not so much a discussion of whether 'something' can come from 'nothing' but rather what sort of 'something' must give rise to the current 'something'.

My head hurts now.
Posted 01/26/2003 11:21PM #1
Folks interested in a history of the idea of "Nothingness" and it's relationship to cosmology might also want to check out

The Book of Nothing: Vacuums, Voids, and the Latest Ideas About the Origins of the Universe
by John D Barrow
Vintage, London, 2001
ISBN 0-099-28845-1

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0375420991/103-6853293-1526258?vi=glance

or

Nothingness: The Science of Empty Space
by Henning Genz, Karin Heusch (Translator), Translated by Karin Heusch
ISBN: 0738206105

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0738206105/qid=1043623441/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-6853293-1526258?v=glance&s=books