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Started by gmillerok, 08/22/2018 11:46AM
Posted 08/22/2018 11:46AM Opening Post
At the UNC campus, students today took down a statute of a confederate soldier erected in 1913. This is what happens when a 62% of the NC Republican legislatures pass a law that prevents removing, relocating, or altering monuments, memorials, plaques and other markers that are on public property without permission from the N.C. Historical Commission, who of course, won't ever give it.

At the dedication in 1913, Julian Carr, a white supremacist who made a fortune in tobacco, stated proudly: 

"The present generation, I am persuaded, scarcely takes note of what the Confederate soldier meant to the welfare of the Anglo Saxon race during the four years immediately succeeding the war, when the facts are, that their courage and steadfastness saved the very life of the Anglo Saxon race in the South – When “the bottom rail was on top” all over the Southern states, and to-day, as a consequence the purest strain of the Anglo Saxon is to be found in the 13 Southern States – Praise God."

and

"I trust I may be pardoned for one allusion, howbeit it is rather personal. One hundred yards from where we stand, less than ninety days perhaps after my return from Appomattox, I horse-whipped a negro wench until her skirts hung in shreds, because upon the streets of this quiet village she had publicly insulted and maligned a Southern lady, and then rushed for protection to these University buildings where was stationed a garrison of 100 Federal soldiers."

So, an white man whipped a black woman until her dress was in shreds, and proud enough he made it part of the speech. I'm sure that made all the blacks present very comfortable. Oh, I forgot, they weren't allowed to attend UNC until a half-century later pursuant to a federal court order.

I recently visited the Legacy Museum and the the National Memorial for Peace and Justice in Montgomery, Alabama, where the center of the slave industry was located. Only the Holocaust Museum could be compared with the stories of horror and tragedy. How any human being with even a shred of decency could leave there and not be moved is simply beyond my comprehension.  From 1865 thousands of black Americans were murdered by whites, sometimes for no reason at all besides sport. Over 4000 are documented at the memorial, but the actual number is many times that. Many were wrongly accused of crimes, and horribly tortured, and burned alive in front of thousands of cheering crowds. Number of convictions: 0.

I later visited the battlefield at Vicksburg, MS, and visited a local museum at the Courthouse there. Of course, in that museum, the rewritten history of the South was told, where slaves stayed loyal after the war because they loved their masters so much, and how they volunteered to fight with the south, yes, to keep them enslaved (or more accurately, from swinging at the end of a rope), and the gift shop was full of tea party gifts and confederate flags.

Until the south comes clean and admits that slavery was in fact the cause of the war and stops treating these men who fought as hero's but the traitors they were, clashes like these, with students and others who know the truth of southern history rather than the lies their parents were told when they were growing up will take things in their own hands. 

It's time for the nation to accept that there is a history of this country that isn't great and never was. Slavery was one, and neither is the South's distorted version of history.

We, as a nation, can accomplish, and have accomplished more than any other country. But the division and hatred that spews forth from the various forums and websites I see posted here that equates anyone who doesn't think the same is the enemy and not to be respected may destroy us. We must remember to respect  everyone no matter race, creed, or political views and not attack each other. We are all Americans, and it is the very diversity that makes us the greatest country in the world. Until that happens, there is a chance, like in 1860, that this country may not survive. I have no doubt Russia fills many of these roles on forums such as this; spewing hate and discord. Who knows if that person who attacks your views so voraciously is real or hasn't stolen someone's identity? So, take what your read on the net with skepticism, and take what someone may post that pushes a hate-filled agenda with a large grain of salt as you may well be being played by forces more sinister than simple ignorance.
Posted 08/22/2018 08:47PM | Edited 08/22/2018 08:49PM #1
From Wikipedia:

The Republican Party, also referred to as the GOP (abbreviation for Grand Old Party), is one of the world's oldest extant political parties. The party values reflect economic liberalism, classical liberalism (modern day American conservatism) and individual liberty rights. It is the second oldest existing political party in the United States after its primary rival, the Democratic Party. It emerged in 1854 to combat the Kansas–Nebraska Act, an act that dissolved the terms of the Missouri Compromise and allowed slave or free status to be decided in the territories by popular sovereignty. The party had almost no presence in the Southern United States, but by 1858 it had enlisted former Whigs and former Free Soil Democrats to form majorities in nearly every Northern state.

With its election of Abraham Lincoln in 1860 and its success in guiding the Union to victory in the American Civil War and abolishing slavery, the party came to dominate the national political scene until 1932. The Republican Party was based on Northern white Protestants, businessmen, small business owners, professionals, factory workers, farmers and African Americans. It was pro-business, supporting banks, the gold standard, railroads and high tariffs to protect factory workers and grow industry faster. Under William McKinley and Theodore Roosevelt, it emphasized an expansive foreign policy.

The GOP lost its majorities during the Great Depression (1929–1940). Instead, the Democrats under Franklin D. Roosevelt formed a winning New Deal coalition, which was dominant from 1932 through 1964. That coalition collapsed in the mid-1960s, partly because of white Southern Democrats' disaffection with passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Republicans won five of the six presidential elections from 1968 to 1988, with Ronald Reagan as the party's iconic conservative hero. From 1992 to 2016, the Republican candidate has been elected to the White House in three of the seven presidential elections. However, two of these (the 2000 and 2016 elections) saw George W. Bush and Donald Trump losing the popular vote, but winning the Electoral College. A similar situation in which Republicans won the Electoral College, but lost the popular vote were the 1876 and 1888 elections.

The GOP expanded its base throughout the South after 1968 (excepting 1976), largely due to its strength among socially conservative white evangelical Protestants and traditionalist Roman Catholics. As white Democrats in the South lost dominance of the Democratic Party once American courts declared the Democratic white primary elections unconstitutional, the region began taking on the two-party apparatus which characterized most of the nation. The Republican Party's transforming leader by 1980 was Reagan, whose conservative policies called for reduced government spending and regulation, lower taxes and a strong anti-Soviet Union foreign policy.

Reagan's influence upon the party persists as nearly every GOP speaker still reveres him. As such, social scientists Theodore Caplow et al. argue: "The Republican party, nationally, moved from right-center toward the center in the 1940s and 1950s, then moved right again in the 1970s and 1980s".[1]


Southern democrats turned into to the racist republicans that they are today.
Posted 08/22/2018 09:15PM | Edited 08/22/2018 09:15PM #2
Thanks for my 1st belly laugh of the day.....Leave it to Wiki to rewrite history LOL

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Posted 08/22/2018 09:21PM | Edited 08/22/2018 09:31PM #3
Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer
Thanks for my 1st belly laugh of the day.....Leave it to Wiki to rewrite history LOL
There's plenty of other reliable sources that document this, but you are free to ignore those, too.

I would like to add that I don't think all Southern Republicans are racist. Just the ones that refuse to acknowledge how they treated blacks before and after the war was not wrong and that the battle fought by the South was for not for a good cause. Even today, Southern Republicans go to great length to suppress black voters with ID laws to prevent voter fraud that doesn't exist, for example.

You would think that after 150 years, they would get over it.
Posted 08/22/2018 11:12PM | Edited 08/22/2018 11:13PM #4
Gotta just love pushing your buttons...are you a Russian troll?
Posted 08/22/2018 11:20PM #5
Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Pushing my buttons??  LOL

I simply enjoy destroying the foolish and idiotic assertions and lies of you leftist fools.  It's pretty easy and since you've come along, it is simply a cakewalk. 

Did you locate that loaner brain cell yet??  Ha, ha. grin
Тебе нужна терапия для твоей одержимости демократами.
Posted 08/22/2018 11:42PM | Edited 08/22/2018 11:54PM #6
https://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/25/417154906/dixies-long-journey-from-democratic-stronghold-to-republican-redoubt

https://www.dailywire.com/news/18940/prageru-why-did-democratic-south-become-republican-aaron-bandler

http://factmyth.com/factoids/democrats-and-republicans-switched-platforms/

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Democrats-used-to-be-the-conservative-party-and-Republicans-used-to-be-the-progressive-party-Is-the-whole-truth-more-complex-than-two-parties-switching-their-main-ideologies

http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/research/published/reversal2.pdf

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/8a43tp/myth_or_fact_did_the_us_political_parties_switch/

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/yczua/can_someone_address_a_brief_history_of_democrats/

Of course, you can find links to radical right wing propaganda sites, as I'm sure you will, that dispute reality. But Republicans and reality don't mix.

и так далее... . По крайней мере, 1 клетка мозга лучше, чем ни у кого.
Posted 08/23/2018 02:04AM | Edited 08/23/2018 02:12AM #7
Sir,  You have no literally no web presence, which makes me think you are a troll. You joined Astromart in 2014, yet you have spent the majority of your time in this forum with partisan links, many if not the majority being right wing propaganda sites. The only unrelated post I could locate about you was this one where a complaint was made against you by a fellow Astromart member in 2010, which is strange since you were not a member until 2014: https://astromart.com/forums/astromart-groups/astromart-faq/am-member-refusing-to-reply-after-accepting-money-51244.

You attack anyone who challenges your nonsense with insults-as you have me. If you are a real US citizen, then you are most certainly obsessed as you have posted over 1100 political post since you joined in 2014, many of them not even viewed by a single person besides yourself.

If you truly are a US Citizen, and feel the way you do, it makes me wonder what made you so full of hate for those that don't think like you do? Is it because you worked hard but made little of your life and see others not like you that are more fortunate at this stage in your life? If it because you have little or no education, and want to belittle those that have more and are more successful? It makes me wonder why someone would be so obsessed with a political viewpoint that he feels the need to constantly monitor and post multiple times daily some right wing trivia and make personal attacks of anyone that challenge him that few even read and even fewer care about.

I posted the few times here this week to show others that others with an opposite viewpoint exist and that can do the same thing as you, but for the other side. And I could do it every day, multiple times a day, just as you have done.

It is not possible, as I originally said, to have any sort of sensible debate with someone like yourself as it would be a waste of time to attempt to use logic or facts as you bend those to fit your warped sense of reality. You either need to get some help dealing with your anger issues and obsession with those who don't believe as you do or get a life.  You will be lot happier. Or not.

Either way, I don't really care about your opinion-you posts are irrelevant and have no credibility to any rational discussion anyone could have, which is why I suspect over the last months few or no one responds, much less reads, any of your posts, as anyone who has followed your posts here already figured out you have some very real logic and anger issues.

I'm done here.  Thank you for playing along and helping me prove my point, which you have so successfully done. I do hope you get some help, but those with the "Left is the enemy" affliction have little hope for a cure.

Now, rant and insult away and pour over your right wing sites for more damning evidence that supports your hate and anger-that's why they exist. I won't be reading it.  I really could care less, and I'm pretty sure, no one else does either.
Posted 08/23/2018 02:52AM #8
So, a troll you are! do svidaniya!
Posted 08/23/2018 03:05AM | Edited 08/23/2018 03:13AM #9
Says you joined 2014 next to the sack over your head which I do have to admit is pretty funny since you having your head in a sack is pretty indicative of what you perceive as realty. Well, at least we now know you know what something up your butt feels like-can't say I do.

Prove that you are real-age, name, address. How about anything on the web-facebook, a picture at a wedding, or anything at all. On the web, you don't exist unless you are the guy arrested in Colorado Springs running from the cops in a stolen car last month.

I don't think you are who you say you are. No sane person would post 1100 times and spew the same hate over and over unless he's nuts or a troll.

Pick whichever one fits.