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Re: logging

Started by mnijilmf2, 08/22/2002 09:52PM
Posted 08/22/2002 09:52PM Opening Post
Mike,Mike,Mike,
When will "you people" realize that taking things out of context and shoving your agenda down other peoples throats always backfires when the truth is brought into the light.?. Here is what was said...
http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0227/news-dawdy.shtml

BTW, a VERY liberal publication also.
President Bush may very well be one of the greatest Presidents we have ever had. Admittedly not one of the greatest speakers of all time, he does get his point across. It seems that some groups of people need to try to swing the focus back onto shallow perceptions rather than the deeper reality of the situation at hand.
As always, peace and love...
-John
Posted 08/22/2002 10:25PM #1
John,

Really now?
"President Bush may very well be one of the greatest Presidents we have ever had"
Unless you are comparing him to the President of Enron, or maybe the President of Worldcom.

Butt surely you jest about the United States. He not only is a joke throughout the world, due to his policies, but the shear fact that he was put into office and did not win the popular vote. In fact Gore had more of the popular vote in the last election, compared to President Kennedy when he had in his "landslide" victory over Nixon at the time.

The Unites States is the only "Free" Country that can have a President that the general public did not vote into office.
If you consider the USA a Democracy then the President, the most powerful position here is won by the person with the least amount of votes!!!
That is ridiculous.

"Welcome to the NEW ORDER"
A President that is actully pushed into office by Big Business.

President George W ( for washed up) Bush, will be one of the few Presidents in history to be in the record books as a "snake in he grass"

MarkK
Posted 08/23/2002 01:40AM #2
Hi Mike:

The pop culture will have you believe that logging is the cause of everything, including your hemmoroids.

Forest management seeks to mimick the successes of natural occurances. Fires like the ones we are having here in the west are for ALL practical purposes, a clearcut, ma natures clearcut. By not having logging in federal forests we are loading up the land base with biomass that must be removed somehow for the forest to be renewed. Either it can be utilized by the citizens or go up in smoke.

Of course the pop culture will tell you that it is forest management that is causing the huge fires. Well a little study of history say about 1910 before roads, fire bombers, fire trucks etc. will prove that huge fires occured pre-suppression acivities by the white man. Check out the history of Idaho, Wyoming and Oregon in the late 1800's and early 1900's.

In addition the pop ideas will tell you that pre-white settlement there was a carpet of old growth from coast to coast that didn't burn becasue the trees were to big. Pictures from early settlers clearly show that this is not the case. The Indians regularly burned off entire drainages near thier settlements primarily for two reasons. One was to improve game habitat, the other was to AVOID the huge uncontrollable fires we have this year. At least they were smart enough to see the forest for the trees. Us whiteies don't seem to be that wise, our vision is very short and we are easily swayed due a lack of cause and effect thinking.

Indians didn't log thier land pre-whites so they burned instead. BTW, some of the most productive timber producing tree farms in North America are Indian companies. They don't burn as they had in the past, but manage thier land by logging and related activities. And, the idea that old growth doesn't burn can only be sold to someone that never worked in the woods.

I suggest you listen to Mr. Bushes ideas. Keep in mind that the Enviormentalists Corporations are just that, Corporations. They are BIG BUSINESSES, multi-million dollar BUSINESSES. If you are skeptical of Bush, et. al, or the timber companies then to be intellectually honest you need to hold your eviro freinds to the same candle. They might not shine the light you think they do if you actually look at them with a questioning mind.

Thanks,

Steve