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Achromatic Doublets and Modern Glasses

Started by jrbarnett, 02/20/2004 06:12PM
Posted 02/20/2004 06:12PM Opening Post
As far as the optical and chemical properties of different glasses, I am a newbie, so please be kind in responding to this post.

We've all seen "ED" doublets that are branded "APO" or "Semi-APO" (e.g., Meade's ED line or the new Orion 80mm ED). We've also all seen high quality "conventional crown and flint" achromatic doublets (e.g., D&G, Alvan Clarke, Vixen, Carton, etc.).

While ED doublets are rarely true APOs at the commonly offered focal lengths (f5 through f7), I have to believe that if manufactured at equivalent quality at a more conventional f/10 through f/15 focal length, these ED doublets would be superior in color correction and therefore resolution (because all visible light comes to focuse at the same point) to to the high quality conventional crown and flint doublets. At longer focal lengths, wouldn't they approach true APOs at least in the 5-6 inch O.D. flavors?

Now the questions: Are modern glasses very much more expensive than conventional materials? If so, for comparison how much more expensive (i.e. 20%? 200%?) Are modern glasses harder to work with and figure accurately?

I for one would love to buy a D&G quality "ED" doublet. Especially if it was 6" and multi-coated. smile I wonder if Barry at D&G or even Roland at A-P would consider a "co-op" order where 20-30 buyers subsidized the materials for ED doublets through advance payment and commissioned them to create ED "apo-achromats."

Feedback encouraged!
Posted 02/21/2004 10:31AM #1
>>>>While ED doublets are rarely true APOs at the commonly offered focal lengths (f5 through f7), I have to believe that if manufactured at equivalent quality at a more conventional f/10 through f/15 focal length, these ED doublets would be superior in color correction and therefore resolution (because all visible light comes to focuse at the same point) to to the high quality conventional crown and flint doublets. At longer focal lengths, wouldn't they approach true APOs at least in the 5-6 inch O.D. flavors?
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Lots of ED doublets in the 3-4 inch range that are considered APO's, the various TVs come to mind. There are lots of flavors of ED glass, some are "phony" like in the Pronto and some are the real stuff like in the TV-85.

Check this out...

http://voltaire.csun.edu/roland/musing.html

>>>>Now the questions: Are modern glasses very much more expensive than conventional materials? If so, for comparison how much more expensive (i.e. 20%? 200%?) Are modern glasses harder to work with and figure accurately?

I think the answer to both questions is "Yes." As I understand it, ED glasses are quite fragile...

jon







Posted 02/25/2004 11:53PM #2
James
D&G did make and offer an ED doublet 5.1 inches in aperture a few years ago. f ratio f-9.5

I understand it did not perform as a true apochromat and was difficult to fabricate.

I have yet to hear from an owner. I am familiar with Zeiss AS short flint lenses, owning two which I have made into optical tubes. AS63/840 and AS80/840. Rather than the crown element being special they use a special flint glass. They have excellent contrast at longer f ratios and colour correction significantly better than achromats of the same focal length.

I believe the AS 110/1650 and 130/1950 both had excellent levels of colour correction for visual use.

Best wishes

Kevin